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1787 New Jersey "Copper" - Never Seen This Before.

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Got this from a buddy who got it in a foreign lot.
I'm guessing it's lead and it's heavy! I'll weigh it when I get home.
I'm thinking it may be a contemporary counterfeit.. Maybe.
Just thought I'd share.

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Got a Massachusetts shilling which also appears to be an older replica as well. I'll share later.
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Die pair is 58-n. weight will be interesting. Struck over something?
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58. Ok, cool Vinnie. I was thinking 58 as well.
It's pure lead..I think.
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Examples listed from 112 grains to 153 grains....Cool Machins denticles!
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Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks!
I'll weigh it tonight.
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If it's contemporary, then it is probably worth more than its genuine counterparts. But what do I know...
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I'm going to show it to a NJ copper specialist I know next time I'm at FUN.
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Ok Vinnie, weight.

236.732 grains or, 15.34 grams.
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Assuming that since it is so far overweight that it is a lead alloy, any ideas on how they get the brownish patina on it? Ive run across old coppers in the past that were somewhat brown, but clearly made from lead.
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No idea except my concept on a contemporary counterfeit is just speculative.
I'm not sure what the brown color patina even is covering the lead alloy..or how old it is.
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I'm going to show it to a NJ copper specialist I know next time I'm at FUN.


Very interesting looking coin.

I am curious what the specialist will say
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Just posted one of these the other day on IG.
I love it BC I'm from NJ. The horse reminds me of the "Jersey Devil" stories as well
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236.732 grains or, 15.34 grams.



Ultra strange! Cant wait to hear what an NJ expert has to say.
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Neat!
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Sounds like a job for John Lorenzo.

Contact me privately. This ultra high weight has me intrigued. Can you measure its thickness with a micrometer?

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