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So I found this coin which was left from great-great grandfather. It has a seated liberty on 1 side and a Trade dollar on the other and stamped 1845. I googled extensively and there wasn't any information or picture matching it. I am thinking it is either a poor counterfeit (mathed wrong sides.. oh poor great great grandfather) or it is an ultra rare coin. Can anyone advise?  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Chinese piece of junk counterfeit is what you have . Made about last week. Hardly Great grandfathers heirloom.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Most likely a fake or someone broke two totally different coins up and merged them together......more than likely though it's a fake. Sorry.
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United States
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This is a Chinese counterfeit MULE. They put the fake die for the seated liberty obverse with the fake die for the Trade dollar reverse. Even great-great-grandfathers bought fakes. Note to collectors of counterfeits, or even those just having a fake or two. Be sure to clearly mark them as counterfeits, so that your heirs do not have to find out the hard way, or perhaps declare too much value in the estate. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Canada
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Note to all holding or selling these . You are breaking the law. Period.
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United States
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I don't think so. Since the design is so different from any real coin, I think it's OK. Just don't try to sell it as a real coin.
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Note to all holding or selling these . You are breaking the law. Period. Pacificoin, Selling-yes they are indeed breaking the law. But there is nothing against the law about holding a counterfeit in a collection. There are many here that have black cabinet collections for the purpose of education with no ill intent. |
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@ scotus yes I have a counterfeit reference library and some contemporary pieces ranging from ancients to early 20th century North American and under Canadian law none of it is legal to own. I also realize that the chances of confiscation are minimal and hardly on the governments or law enforcements radar. It is useful for educational and reference purposes. This MODERN Chinese garbage as above that always comes with a story and that inundates ebay and the coin market is going to kill the numismatic hobby and the coin industry if we are not vigilant. Bobby on this forum and Mike Marshall in Canada have been fighting this losing battle for years to virtually no avail. Their efforts and those of others, myself included are hopeless as long as Bidiots think there is a Santa Claus in numismatics. Being intelligent and educated seems to go out the window ,when "Coin Greed " clouds ones vision. I am now firmly of the opinion that if a person ends up with one of these Chinese POC , they really do deserve what they get. |
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United States
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Modern Counterfeit - Unfortunately I think someone is telling you some far fetched stories. How long ago did your great-great grandfather pass on? My condolences.
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 Singapore
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@joe2007 passed on at least 60 years I believe. Never even seen my great grandfather, let alone great great grandfather. To all.. I expected it to be fake as well since I all I read about Trade dollar was they first started in 1873. Just perplexed that they have such counterfeits back then. |
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I don't think so. Since the design is so different from any real coin, I think it's OK. Just don't try to sell it as a real coin.
Come on, please don't tell me you got NOTHING out of the sub-forum for coin counterfeits. This is a Chinese counterfeit, unmarked, and is ILLEGAL to sell. You know that... |
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@ moviezzz you don't have to be perplexed. This Chinese POC could be from last week or last month it never saw socalled Great. Great grandfathers pockets. Bucket loads of this crap leave China on a Daily basis.
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is ILLEGAL to sell. You know that... I stand corrected. |
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This is a Chinese counterfeit, unmarked, and is ILLEGAL to sell. You know that... First of all what is it a counterfeit of? This coin if anything is a fantasy coin and there is nothing at all illegal about selling it. You really need to read the laws about counterfeiting and then confer with a lawyer about what is stated before making blanket statements like you did. Heck the law about counterfeiting coins is only for coins in the denominations of 5 cents and above. So basically I could crank out as many cents as I wanted to and sell them unmarked and it would be "legal". FROM 18 U.S. Code § 485 - Coins or bars Quote:
Whoever falsely makes, forges, or counterfeits any coin or bar in resemblance or similitude of any coin of a denomination higher than 5 cents I know you have noble intentions, but sometimes it's wiser to stay silent. That is unless you are 100% certain what you are saying is correct. |
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