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Problem Attaching Enlarger Lens To Bellows

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Not sure what I'm doing wrong. The pics below show the enlarger with a ring that was threaded on the back of the lens. The outside diameter of this ring is ~39mm,beveled on one side, flat on the other. Does this ring mount on the enlarger with the bevel towards the front or rear of lens and is it supposed to then thread into the Leica adapter? Additionally, the outside thread diameter on the enlarger itself is ~32.45mm

Then I have the Leica M39 Lens to Pentax M42 39mm to 42mm Step up screw Mount Adapter Ring which mics out at ~41mm outside, ~38mm inside. I would assume it is used to mount the enlarger into the bellows opening (~40.85mm) It feels like it wants to thread into the bellows opening, but then it locks up and will not screw in; I think the adapter is too big or it needs to be mounted to the enlarger first. However, the enlarger lens will not thread into the Leica ring either

Lastly, in the bellows manual, it says "lenses: Takumar lenses". Do I need to get a different adapter than the Leica one mentioned above that will thread into the bellows, but also accept the enlarger thread and/or adapter?

Can someone educate me on what I'm doing wrong and if I need to order something different to make this setup work? Links are appreciated. Any constructive advice is most welcome.


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I would like some one else to confirm this... take it as a preliminary suggestion only.
The ring is for locking the lens on to a lens board for mounting on an enlarger( I know some people hunt for these locking rings as they go missing easily). You don't need it for mounting on the bellows. actually it would make mounting the lens impossible.


Don't worry about the "Takumar lenses" in the manual it is typical advertising wanting the buyer to stick with their products.
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So, what adapter would I need to get this lens to mount to the bellows? the M39-M42 will not work. Help!
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andy take a picture of both ends. I will tell you how to assembly this unit. andy one end of your bellows has a male thread that end screws into the adapter that attaches to the camera body . the other end of the bellows has a female end. screw that locking ring off your lens put it away. screw the m42 to m39 unto the lens and screw the lens unto the bellows. at the camera end on your bellows loosen the screws on the top of your bellows just enough to allow you to center your camera. then tighten those screws. mount that setup and you are ready to rock and roll.
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austrokiwi,

I have the camera body already attached, so that end is not the problem. The problem is I don't have the correct adapter to mount the enlarger lens on the other end.

From what I can tell with my tap/die thread guage, the thread on the enlarger is 32.5mm x 0.5 thread and the thread on the bellows is 42mm x 1.0. I need an adapter that will allow the enlarger to mount to the bellows. Thoughts and source for adapter? Or, is there another el cheapo 75mm enlarger I could use that doesn't have the funky thread size?
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http://www.rafcamera.com/en/adapter...ead?___SID=U

this seller is Russian. Check ebay you should find one closer to home
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Yep, saw this. Only other one on ebay I saw a seller in China. My go with a different lens that's M39 or just order the adapter and wait....
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The M39-M42 adapter you show appears to be the correct one. If it doesn't thread on, then either the adapter or the bellows has a problem with the threads.

Best way to assemble these is to thread the adapter to the lens (with the notches facing away from the lens), tighten it down, then thread the adapted lens onto the bellows.
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Ray,
That's the plan. The threads on the bellows appear OK; I think it's the adapter. Regardless, need to get the right adapter for the M32.5 lens I have. I have another lens coming that should be M39 threaded and I'll get another M42-M39 adapter as well. This process is turning into a fight.....all over adapters.
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This process is turning into a fight.....all over adapters.


This is why I got Ray to assemble all parts needed for my set up.
The only thing I can't get Ray to do is take the pic of the coins for me.
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There's a slight chance that your M39-M42 adapter is really a M39-T2 adapter (42mm x 0.75mm threads). Your adapter looks like a typical M39-M42 adapter, though. (I suppose this is all moot, since you actually need something with 32.5mm threads inside.)
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There's a slight chance that your M39-M42 adapter is really a M39-T2 adapter (42mm x 0.75mm threads). Your adapter looks like a typical M39-M42 adapter, though. (I suppose this is all moot, since you actually need something with 32.5mm threads inside.)


No, pretty sure it's the correct adapter since the inner/outer threads are 1.0 pitch, not .75. I think the threads may be off just enough to not allow it to thread properly. Gonna get another adapter along with an M39 threaded enlarger. They're cheap.
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This process is turning into a fight.....all over adapters.


This is why I got Ray to assemble all parts needed for my set up.
The only thing I can't get Ray to do is take the pic of the coins for me.


Probably should have done that from the get-go. I pestered Ray alot with emails, so I felt I wore out the welcome a bit. Some of us (me) are too hard-headed to take the logical route and want to learn some things the hard way. And I am...
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No worries, you did not wear out your welcome at all! It's not so bad to go it on your own, just takes a bit more time since you have to solve the problems yourself. But there are many helpful folks here that can offer assistance. It's a great forum!
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I was finally able to get an enlarger lens attached to the bellows setup and took the attached photo. Using a canon rebel eos 1000d. Having some issues trying to get the white balance initially correct. Have to use software to tweak a bit. Also have issues with trying to get proofs to picture correctly with out alot of noise. Seems like they're so reflective that it causes graininess when shooting with the Jansjo lights. Will I have to use axial for proofs?
Thoughts from anyone on this pic and what I could do to improve on taking shots of proof and proof like coins?
Thanks in advance.


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Aesthetically it appeals to me. May be its a bit over exposed on the right hand field. What did you use for diffusion?
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