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1945-S Merc For Your Grading Pleasure

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Found this piece on the 'bay and thought it would fit in nicely with the type set I am starting to put together. She has been graded by NGC.
Whatcha' all think?
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 Posted 02/11/2008  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gbchaosmaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! FSB-65.
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At least. It may be MS66+ with the beautiful toning.

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 Posted 02/11/2008  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add asciibaron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
65 FSB based on the picture. I think I know who you bought that from...

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asciibaron, I purchased it from greattoning......I don't know who the consigner was. I do know that it has found a home for a very long time!
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 Posted 02/14/2008  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what a beauty !! congratulations.
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 Posted 02/14/2008  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice gem coin!
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I'm not sure how this coin be be called an MS67 if it lacks FSB... by definition, an MS67 is a well struck coin. here's the Standard from PCGS;

MS/PR-67 Virtually as struck with minor imperfections, very well struck

NGC has no such definitions and as such calls the grade into question since "lesser" slabbers have been called out for not using the grading standards and numbers equally - think SGS and what they call an MS67.

if the standard is to be that, a standard, it needs to be applied across the board.

-Steve

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Check your facts concerning the 1945 Mercury dimes ,, FSB on the coins are rare ,,standards cover the gamet of dates but not each date ,,

There are certian year and Mint coins within just about every denomination and series which will not completely fall into the standards .

1922-D lincoln
most New Orleans mint Morgans
etc etc etc

as for the coin in question ,,I think the toning slanted the grade a tad bit and the Dime is closer to a 66 than a 67,, if for no other reason that the reverse die was worn more than the obverse ,, but thats what you get when you send coins to a TPG,, a varing of opinion based on the grader. some will win and others will lose .

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 Posted 02/14/2008  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add asciibaron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
over course there is always a year that is weaker stuck, but how can a weak strike be an MS 67?

-steve
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In the same way that a fully struck Merc can be an MS-64 full bands ,, by individual merit ,, this coin has a very sharp Obverse ,, very well struck with what by the pictures appears to be almost complete detail .

the reverse die appears to me to be a little older than the obverse die . most graders do not give equal weight to the reverse of the coin ,, I would be more concerned with the hits at the bottom of the Fasces than the bands as a detriment to grade .



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 Posted 02/15/2008  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add asciibaron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i guess that's why grading is both a science and art - there is so much subjectivity involved - glad I just enjoy coins and am not trying use them as an investment tool.

-steve
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aciibaron that is exactly why I do not collect slabbed coins ,, I can see no point in paying for a subjective opinion on my coins .

This coin would be a 66 toned in my collection .

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 Posted 02/15/2008  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is a beautiful coin but falls well short of 67 in my opinion. The black spot and marks on the cheek and head should have automatically taken it out of that range. If I were to be harsh, I'd call it a high-end 65*. I think the current holder is a gift from NGC.
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i only gave it a 65 FB - I was guessing on the bands since I can't really tell on the picture - I just happen to collect these in 65 FB and have spent many hours trying to figure out the difference between a PCGS 65,66, and 67 - I just don't see it like I do between a 60, 63, and 65.

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The difference is many times nothing other than where the little problems might be located on the coin ,, if its on what is commonly seen as focal areas of the coin then the grade is affected more ,, if its in a more obscure or not in a considered focal area then it affects the grade less .

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