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1853 Large Cent

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Is this a good deal at $70? The verdigris might be scary. Would VerdiCare help? Looks AU, though.

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looks au 58 at a minimum to me for sharpness. the verdigris and small rim issues would be the only factors reducing the price to $70. Verdicare should help it.
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03/11/2016 08:51 am
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You are right about the sharpness grade of AU. The coin has virtually Mint State sharpness.

The piece does have verdigris and other crud in lodged in the devices. Some or all of that stuff might come off with an application of something. I don't mess with coins like this beyond using a toothpick or a rose thorn. In other words "coin doctor" is the last label you could hang on me.

One are of caution is that there might be pitting under this stuff if you are able to remove it. That is one of the risks you take with coins like this.

1853 is one of the most common dates in the large cent series. This will not be only piece that you might see by a long shot. Still a lot of large cents have been taken off the market by Early American Coppers collectors who collect these coins by die variety and even die state. Therefore these coins are now harder to find in the market than they used to be.

Everyone has a budget. For say $150 to $200 you could get something much nicer than this. I'm just saying that if you looking for the type or the date there are better examples out there. If you live in the Charlotte, North Carolina are, you might attend the Early American Coppers convention which will be held April 7 to 10. Get there as close as can to 7th. The last day, Sunday, will be "a ghost town."
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I think $70 is a fair price but if you don't like the coin as is I wouldn't get it.

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One are of caution is that there might be pitting under this stuff if you are able to remove it. That is one of the risks you take with coins like this.

And or there may be a difference in color which would show as past cleaning.
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Even with the small amount of crud and possible minor corrosion seen in the small details areas, it almost looks like this has had a bath in that past.

Notice the dark "halos" around the devices. If those halos are lighter in color, than it's simply that the minor circulation left hand oil in the open fields and around the tight devices and that it toned in that way.

If the halos are darker in color, darker around the devices, then it's almost certainly seen a dip at some time in the past.

From the great coins you have shown us in the past, TypeCoin, I don't think this would fit in your collection all that well.

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For say $150 to $200 you could get something much nicer than this


I will probably pass on this one and save for a nicer example.
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Good decision.
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i'd put it at AU55+. there are some rim dings and the verdigris is pretty heavy. i'd pass for a better example even if I would have to drop a grade to get in my price range
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Well, it's scary...Hard to make it nice again..The surfaces have to be damaged! not for me....
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Overpriced substantially @ $70 IMO

EAC 45 net 30 severe verdigris, lightly cleaned, ugly retoning.

I'd not go more than $40-$45 unless it was an R5 or better Newcomb variety.

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You can find a much better coin of this type for $70.
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I follow the First Noyes Rule of Copper Collecting: If you don't like it when you first see it, you won't like it when you own it.
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I follow the First Noyes Rule of Copper Collecting: If you don't like it when you first see it, you won't like it when you own it.

I agree, but that's a good rule to follow for all coins.
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