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1850 Upper Canada Half Penny - Grading Help

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Could someone help me grade this token please.
Hoping I did ok. Paid $22.00 Canadian for it. Starting a collection for my son.

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Nice looking token, VF-30/35 but need closer pics to be sure, I'm still learning grading so wait for the experts to chime in.
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I'd say in that VF30-Ef40 range
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Quote:
I'd say in that VF30-Ef40 range

Cheers Don

Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Nice token XF 45, perhaps AU 50 / appears to have been cleaned.

Wear is evident, however the diagonal strap across the man's chest shew minimal wear.
The tops of the initials (in the lower section of the ground) are complete and do not
merge into the ground.
The helmet is distinct from the man's face. etal.
The Anchor Rope Dots atop the lower sections of the Anchor Shaft and the Sword shew
wear, but are still distinguishable from the Shaft and Sword. etal.

The pearls (opposite both N's) of the Cornucopia shew well.



Doctor Courteau identifies some 75 different varieties of the 1850 ONE HALP PENNY.
Of these, Dr. Courteau groups them according to the Stands of the T and N in TOKEN.
Group 1 Weak Stand to the T and weak Stand to the N. #'s 1-26 inclusive.
Group 2 Weak Stand to the T and the left-side of the Stand to the N is weak, the right-side is struck in full. #'s 27-45 inclusive.
Group 3 Weak Stand to the T and the Stand to the N is fully struck. #'s 46-56 inclusive.
Group 4 Double-cut Stand to the T and the Stand to the N is fully struck. #'s 57-63.
Group 5 Full Stand to the T and N. #'s 64-75 inclusive.

Your token falls into group 1. Concerning group 1, Dr. Courteau further separates these into two groupings according to the right-side
of the Stand of the K in BANK (reverse).
Varieties 1-15 have the Stand weak (broken), while the Stands of varieties 16-26 are fully struck.
The right-side of the Stand of the K of your token is weak, ergo varieties 1-15.

Dr. Courteau identifies varieties 1-15 according to broken letters, numerals, die-cracks, etal.

From the photos provided I dare not make a positive attribution, but absent the token in hand, I
suspect this to be a Courteau variety 12.

enough for now.

doug


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great information colonial tokens!
That's why I am a member of this fantastic website
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This is like one of those times in math class where we derive something and for the longest time I'm wondering what the teacher is doing on the board. Then all of a sudden he concludes with his last term and my mind is blown.
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If I owned this coin, the coin would stay at home while Doug's explanation was sent in for grading and framed, totally on board with AG's above post.
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I was at 30/35 before doug's post. Reason; Wear on the crown's 3 jewel clusters and flatness of the larger fruit in the cornucopia. Slayer looks a little worn, but I suppose now that this could be a result of a weak strike.
Nice token, I really like this series.
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Other characteristic which readily shew wear:

The Bridle Rein across the Throat/Chest of the Horse.
The Rein is still sharp, but merges on lesser grades.

The Tail of the Dragon crossing the crest of the ground is clear and distinct,
but readily merges into the ground on lesser grades.

The serriations of the Pineapples are nearly complete, but readily merge on lesser grades.

The 'hemisphere' of the Globe atop the Crown is present (difficult to accurately observe from the photo).

The diagonals within the Shield shew minimal wear, likewise concerning the 'scroll' work
of the Cornucopiae, and the Hilt of the Sword.

The St. George series manifests an abundance of wonderful detail, and as a result, many
tend to overgrade this series. I presented a smattering of areas of concern which typically
are the first to shew evidence of wear.

have fun

doug
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 Posted 04/03/2016  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doug,

Thanks for adding your expert touch here again...

Appreciated..and we will try to remember all of these important facts that you have brought forward today..
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Thanks so much for the helpful information (even though I'm slightly confused (newbie thing maybe?) Haha. I am very great full for the info. I will buy a book to help with collecting colonial tokens. I am in love with this one. I am going to make a wall display for it.

Melissa
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Here is another photo in brighter lighting. Not sure if that helps. I have to use the free image optimizer and it really downgrades the original photo.

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EF-40/45 or more with close up photos, greatt looking coin.
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