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Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Crown Comemorative Coin Mystery

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So I inherited a queen Elizabeth II silver jubilee crown comemorative coin from my great grandmother. She said she had gotten it when she was a child and that it had been handed out to all the children in some range of area. Seems legit right? Wrong. The problem with this is that, this coin came out in 1977, she was 50 years old then. And she was in Johannesburg in South Africa.

So what happened? Is it a simple case of miss identification? Did her daughter or grand-daughter get it not her? Did this even happen? Did it happen with a different coin from her time? Any help would be appreciated in this search.

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Can you provide pictures of the coin?
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Sure can:

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Can you provide pictures of your grandmother?


(just kidding)
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@uberdan, any possibility of you taking a slightly closer-up pic of the obv and rev? I can see exactly zero details with your current pics. thanks!
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If your great grandmother was 50 in 1977, then she was not a child during any part of QW2's reign.

They made over 37 million of these (not enough for 1 each of Great Britain's 56 million population in 1977).

They were issued at face value of 25 pence.
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I am pretty sure that this is the coin being referred to, these were handed out to Brit school kids.
I don't know if they were handed out in South Africa though.

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That's the one! What year was it handed out? If it was a little latter then the actual date on the coin it would make sense but if it was distributed on 1977 then I am at a loss. My granny had given birth to my mother a little while before and she wasn't in school yet.
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So I inherited a queen Elizabeth II silver jubilee crown comemorative (sic) coin from my great grandmother. She said she had gotten it when she was a child ...

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If it was a little latter (sic) then (sic) the actual date on the coin it would make sense...


How so? Your GREAT grandmother still wouldn't have been a child.
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Who knows? Maybe it was given to her as a present from her daughter or grand-daughter.
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I am pretty sure that this is the coin being referred to, these were handed out to Brit school kids.


I recently bought one of these as a pocket piece. My father said it looks like a medal, and doesn't even have a value on it.
Well... it really doesn't. No value, no country. And I'm not sure what the design is either. (Is that a spoon?)
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I recently bought one of these as a pocket piece. My father said it looks like a medal, and doesn't even have a value on it.
Well... it really doesn't. No value, no country. And I'm not sure what the design is either. (Is that a spoon?)


It's value is hidden in a riddle, see that crown on the back? Guess what it means... That's right! You guessed it, it's worth 1 crown or 25 pence/ a quarter/25 cents.

It was made in the British empire to celebrate the silver jubilee of queen Elizabeth II. I'm guessing they were made all around the empire as to cut shipping costs. From my reasearch it was released in America, Great Britain and a couple of other places. So in that case it would not have a country on it because it belongs to an empire, not a country.

The only part I'm not sure about is the handouts.

(And yes, that is a spoon, don't question it because I am also at a loss)
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This coin would have been widely distributed. 37 million were made according to Krause. They were certainly not made in Canada, but are widely seen here. I can't imagine that The Royal Mint would have had other countries mint their own coins.

No denomination, no country: the world is "supposed" to know who Elizabeth is!

\The inscription says Elizabeth Queen (by grace of God, defender of the faith), not Elizabeth empress.

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These coins are very common; I don't know if they were given away to schoolchildren in Britain, but they wouldn't have been given away to schoolchildren anywhere else as it's a British coin; other countries may have given away their own medals, but Australia did not. And South Africa certainly would not have, as in 1977 they were a Republic, deep in the Apartheid era.

It's possible your great-grandmother was given a medal as a schoolchild; just that it wasn't this particular piece. A schoolchild medal for someone your great-grandmother's age would likely have been a George VI coronation piece, or perhaps a WWII victory medal.

Here in Australia, every schoolchild was given a nationally-produced medal in 1951 for the jubilee of Federation (both of my parents were given one), and again in 1988 for the bicentenary of settlement (I was given one of those) and 2001 for the centenary of Federation. Local regions may have issued additional medals for distribution at certain events; my mother, a schoolgirl in Rockhampton in 1953, was given a medal specifically made for the coronation by the Rockhampton council; as my dad was a schoolboy in Brisbane, he didn't get one of those medals.

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And I'm not sure what the design is either. (Is that a spoon?)



And yes, that is a spoon, don't question it because I am also at a loss

The two objects depicted in the centre of the reverse of this coin are part of the Crown Jewels of Great Britain - they are both implements used in the coronation ceremony. The thing with the bird on it is the Ampulla, the ornamental flask used to hold the oil the sovereign is anointed with during the ceremony. The "spoon" is the Coronation Spoon, used to do the anointing with, and dates from the 1100s; it is the oldest surviving piece of royal regalia, being one of the few pieces to survive intact during the overthrow of the monarchy during the Commonwealth period, when most of the crown jewels were melted down and sold for scrap.
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Sorry I can't help with where they gave these to school children.
I can only imagine there might have been a program where
schools coulee ordered them. Of course not until 1977.

There also a silver one available, with a mintage of 377k.
Can't tell from your pictures which you have.

Over the years I have seen several of these come into the LCS here,
I have never seen a silver one.


Edit - watching TV and trying to type, took me to long to respond. Looks
like Sap posted a good explanation of coins/medals being
passed out to school children.
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Thank you sap, it was definantly that coin, mabye it was given to her by someone from Britain, who knows. I'll ask my grandmother to see if she knows anything about it.
(And I can tell you it is not silver proof or silver, just normal.)
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