1964 Sp/Sms Nickels Or BU Unc? - Page 4

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Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 1:48 pm Not necessarily a comparison, but you cannot argue that is a PL rim. I think this is best to be seen in person. I appreciate the help for sure. If nothing else it's certainly motivated me. Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 2:06 pm The weak die as you stated may be the issue and that's why they were thrown into a roll for circulation. Maybe this is an early Strike of the 1965 SMS still using that same die? Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 2:18 pm Here's a good reason the Strike may seem weak as well... And a great read on a separate forum too:https://www.cointalk.com/threads/qu...coins.29477/ Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 2:29 pm Man...this is never going to be answered Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 4:18 pm Here is a link with information on the 1964 mint sets. http://www.PCGS.com/News/1964-Speci...nt-Set-Coins Quote: Currently the PCGS Population report shows 22 Lincoln cents, 18 Jefferson nickels, 22 dimes and 28 Kennedy half dollars graded as 1964 SMS. With the numbers so few, they should all be early die state coins and probably have all the same markers on each coin. IMO. Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 4:32 pm There are some on PCGS that have the FS Attributions and some that don't though. I'd think that would rule out a definitive marker. Have you been able to find any other markers? I got the rim, the odd polishing, and the heavy Strike/high relief. All that's missing is the extreme details in the bust of Jefferson and the full steps of the Monte Cello. I know I saw a few examples with only 3FS though too. Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 4:38 pm The key word in that quote box was also CURRENTLY I think. Thats them saying they've graded 18 as of the date it was published, correct? Has anybody seen or know of an actual mintage number of the 64 sms's? Why would they make 22 cents, but only 18 Nickels? And 28 half dollars? So are there at least 10 more Nickels and 6 more cents that eluded PCGS or are there more? If they were sets, I'm assuming they would be at an even number once they all turn up? Maybe that's stupid but it seems like common sense. A SET of tires for a car is never 3 right? Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 4:39 pm Maybe these were never even a real thing and it was a scam to make PCGS insiders rich.. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 5:46 pm Here is what I found on three examples from heritagecoins,com: With the low number of coins, these are what I found as markers on the three coins I compared. Keep in mind the low mintage will produce just a few markers. Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 6:10 pm Nice that's perfect! I was looking for markers all night last night! Is it the Heritage Auction site or is there a different Heritage? I haven't seen any of those. Looks like I'll be breaking out the 40x magnifier tonight Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 6:20 pm Yessir I owe you a nickel!! Every...single...die scratch! I used a loupe and can make them out I'm going to try to get some perfect lighting and get some pics! I s*** you not this is it! Sure wish I found those markers sooner but oh my god thank you! Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/04/2016 7:41 pm Another interesting thing I noticed... While PCGS claims the 18 as their graded population, I noticed looking at the bottom of the info from this auction that it looks to be saying 2 of 67, as in there being 67 that are known to exist. I may be interpreting wrong there, and that's obviously still a very low number, but is that how you take it as well? Maybe NGC graded the rest of the existing SP's? It's odd that the facts get so confusing. Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/05/2016 12:35 am And the throat area was real hard to get with the lighting at the moment so here's a close-up Report this Post to the Staff
Jimmyjohns7724 Valued Member United States 198 Posts	Posted 05/05/2016 12:37 am These were all pretty hard to get the super fine die scratches because of the polishing but it certainly looks to have covered all of the bases. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/05/2016 01:01 am Well a higher number of these would make more sense. Some of the die scratches were stronger than on others. There was one that looked like it was weaker struck. (the gray colored example) The bottom one has the die scratches almost gone., but still kink of weakly there. Heritage got the site working today again. So you can get larger images again. Report this Post to the Staff
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