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Scam: Ebay 4 PCGS Coins Exceeding 1 Million Dollars

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 Posted 05/24/2016  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I could be wrong but to me they all look authentic..so I agree this auction should be interesting.


Yes, all four photos are of authentic coins - copied from Heritage Auction's website. The question would be does the seller have rightful ownership of them. Because the seller hasn't posted his or her photos, looks mighty suspicious to me.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wildflower I know it raises suspicion as these coins should be sold separately through a reputable auction house..that was my first clue..thats why I said it should be interesting.
As far as the pics go..seller could simply be saving time..or worse..Like you said. Either way it will all be something worth watching..lol
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 Posted 05/24/2016  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great,so PCGS has a verification glitch, this puts them on par with the ICCS verification service we love to whine about.
I see too that the sellers pics were swiped from auction sites.
What are the odds the seller owns these coins?
No counterfeits, but likely no coins.
Smells like scam.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 05/24/2016  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first thing I thought that was a little stinky was pics of only one side..there's 2 sides to every slab.
I hate seeing a seller show only one side of an expensive coin..I would hesitate to bid based on that alone.

The seller Openly admits they are not his pics.

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Lot of 5 Coins Canada 50C 1921, 50C 1871-H, 10C 1889, 25C 1915, certified PCGS, very valuable, photos and link to photos on request, thank you contacted me with any questions, good auction at all.

What we need is to hear a reply from the seller.
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05/24/2016 02:18 am
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 Posted 05/24/2016  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A sold item from April 13, stamp collection, US$7100, says "while my accounts were hacked" in the description, and how they now cannot take paypal. Seems a safe bet that their account is still hacked. It seems odd that when you click the seller and then items for sale, this lot does not appear. I guess the hack is interesting, but it's a scam for the truly gullible.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thrustie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is just another example why both eBay/paypal should have mandatory 2FA in place, especially for sellers.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link the seller sent me to some additional photos, I am pretty sure they have been photo-shopped but not sure if it was just to condense into one page. Too bad the detail doesn't appear to see markers on reverse.

https://myalbum.com/album/fV4wsez3bNUY

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 Posted 05/24/2016  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregJG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok.... So I asked them for pics of all the coins on the table and got this....
https://myalbum.com/album/fV4wsez3bNUY

My head is confused. I was 100% sure this was a fake ad, now I don't know what to think...

If you click on the info beside each photo, one is made using "photofiltre studio x" which appears to be a program with photoshop like capabilities.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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. It seems odd that when you click the seller and then items for sale, this lot does not appear

Thats not what I see.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think these have been overlaid on a wood print background, if you zoom in close, you can see the pixelation and missing part of holder. If it is too good to be true, it probably is.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reported.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Thats not what I see.
OK, the item number link takes me to ebay.com because I'm in US, then pick seller, items for sale, and it only shows one stamp collection - these clicks keep me at .com. Click on the other link and I get ebay.ca, which shows all the items. That must be the difference.
The top two photos have a shadow of the holders, the bottom two do not. Oops! Back to photoshop!
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 Posted 05/24/2016  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregJG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you bobby131313!
Also the rotation of the coins is incorrect for the 1871 and 1915.

When you flip the holder over the 1915 coin should be right side up, but is not.
When you flip the holder over the 1871H coin should be upside down, but is not.

For reference:
http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...ption-071515
http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...ption-071515
http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...bnail-071515
http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...bnail-071515

I pray this item gets deleted and someone doesn't spend tons of money on this fake ad.




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 Posted 05/24/2016  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These pictures are easily gotten from Heritage website. The orientation of the coins are not all correct. I don't know why one would do that. It is a dead giveaway, being that the PCGS certs are the same as the Heritage ones. So there is no way to claim that it is a rotated die error. This is quite interesting.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregJG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AD HAS BEEN DELETED YAYYYYYYY!
Thank you again bobby131313

I hope sellers like this have their accounts banned and deleted. This is intentional and elaborate scamming.
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