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Deutsches Reich - 3 Mark J - 1924 ... A Medal Or A Coin?

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 Posted 05/31/2016  12:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add filip to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know that this issue supposed to be made in Silver (0.500), so I am not sure what is this...

also, on the chest of the eagle is a small hallmark (a smaller eagle, mirrored to the bigger one)...

a contemporary medal or something else?


Deutsches-Reich---3-Mark-J---1924-...-A-Medal-Or-A-Coin?

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 Posted 05/31/2016  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it is {was} a Weimar Republic coin. The "J" indicates it was minted in Hamburg. The counterstamp is interesting, but it's the hole that just destroys any numismatic value. So I'd view it as bullion ("junk" silver} now.
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 Posted 05/31/2016  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add filip to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Lucky Cuss.

But... this color doesn't look like a silver at all... it is clearly yellow.
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What is the size? If smaller than it should be, it is probably a spielmarke (German play money)
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 Posted 05/31/2016  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yellow is often a result of improper lighting for silver.
Low color temperature or perhaps camera sensor poor sensitivity
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seeing as it was used a s jewelry, I see it as very possible that the coin was plated gold.
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I have scanned this coin, and has it now in my hand... it is yellow -red colour of the copper. Doesn't look like silver at all...
I suppose that I cannot even try to test it, because 0.500 is a poor quality to be tested...

Size is 30mm, just as original, and it also has a correct lettering on the border: EINIGKEIT UND RECHT UND FREIHEIT >>*<<

edit: however, it looks that issue, although it is 0.500 silver, has had a tendency to become yellow... another example...

www.ebay.com/itm/201583418554
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Well the coin itself does not look suspicious to me at first glance. But I've never quite seen a countermark like that one...
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What is the size?


And weight. Measuring the size of that hole relative to the overall diameter, by my calculations, it ought to weigh roughly 98.75% what a whole coin should, or about 14.8 grams. If the weight is significantly different than that, then there's something funny going on.

I also agree with the comment above accounting for its yellow appearance, although I think a gold wash would be more likely.

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Thank you for all replies. I don't have in this moment a quality libra near me, but will be back tomorrow with the exact weight of the coin.

I would not say that this is gold-plated, because, although is yellow, it doesn't have a gold shinning... + on the inner border of the hole is almost the same tone as at entire coin... I have just investigated it with a lenses... and it is also visible partially on the 2nd scan (on the left side of the hole... a part of the border is clearly visible).
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The weight is 13.72 g... which is significantly different than expected (more than 1 g difference).

As I have mentioned, the size is just as regular... exactly 30 mm
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Any idea what this could be? Possibly some kind of trial? Any idea what is the meaning of the countermark?

I can make better scans to show the details... or to try to make the photos of the lettering on the border?
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I'll make one last remark - in the past, sometimes a hole was drilled in a counterfeit coin when detected to mark it as such amd ostensibly prevent its further circulation. Perhaps the counterstamp is somehow related to the authority responsible for doing that. Just a thought.
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