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New Member
Estonia
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Hi! I'm a new member and wanted to show You guys something I recently found - 1741 Denga. What do You think? I used 50 euro cent as a size reference. Does anybody here have some more information about this coin?     Edited by MrMarty
06/21/2016 3:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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First off, welcome. A lot of older Russian issues are being reproduced (faked) nowadays. In general, these aren't prime candidates for that effort, but 1741 is the key date valued well above the others. Although varieties exist, for comparison, here's one nevertheless, also raw but supposedly genuine, that was recently auctioned: http://www.usauctionbrokers.com/ite...3147&cat=CoiYou might want to take a weight, which ought to be around 8 grams. Colligo ergo sum
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Poland
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The problem might be that these coins seem to have many varieties. So, even though your coin differs from the one linked above, it doesn't rule it out. A quick check of the Chinese fake site revealed nothing. What's more, it looks like a metal detecting find. All these point in the direction of it being genuine.
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New Member
 Estonia
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Thanks!
Yes, it is a metal detecting find.
I'm very interested in the varieties of the 1741 coins, does anybody know a place with samples to check which one I have?
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United States
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Well, a metal detecting find (in Estonia, I presume) has more provenance than one hyped on ebay, for sure. Colligo ergo sum
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Poland
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Well, I know there is a book called "The Copper Coinage of Imperial Russia 1700-1917" but I don't know how detailed it is. But I know there is a whole book dealing just with the 1736 dengas... eBay current auction link |
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 United States
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interesting coin @MrMarty  Not my specialty in terms of real vs. fake, but I hope it is real. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Canada
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Hopefully, 'gxseries' will respond to your request for information on the 1741 Denga varieties as he may remember a discussion which he had with a member of another forum some years ago.
The varieties concern the form of decoration such as the flower petals,rosettes etc.
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Australia
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I don't specialize in varieties of this particular coinage. This page might be of use: http://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/id,28/prohod.htmlAt one stage this was a rather scarce coin as it was the cheapest coin to obtain for Ivan VI coin. However recent metal finds don't suggest that this is a scarce year. If anything, I believe 1752 is tougher. Of course, XF+ condition coins are always in high demand. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Russian Federation
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I've never heard of any date except 1752 being uncommon for the dengas (might consider trying to get a date run - the type is so cheap in lower grades that I've been ignoring it for a while, but a cheap date run sounds like a nice challenge, even if I don't get the less common dates).
I agree, the 1741 dated coins are slightly hyped by the Ivan VI connection (IIRC, his reign wasn't even the entire year, so an 1741 coin without a ruler name can easily be from someone else; OTOH, if there are really no 1742 dengas, as the linked site seems to say, the 1741 issue might well be really from Ivan VI only).
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