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Buying Certified Coins, The Battle Over Price With Unreasonable Sellers

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Okay so when I go to buy a certified coin and verify it at PCGS or NGC they list a price as far as value. Let's say a 1893-S Morgan in AG3 is worth $850.

I encounter a lot of sellers on ebay who think this means they can get $850 and in a sellers market, add 14% for their fees. In real live auctions I see that people bid and get the same coins commonly for 50-75% of the price guide price.

Does anyone have a good place to get more accurate market prices to use as a tool when negotiating with ebay sellers, a counterpoint like Edmunds when you buy a used car to tell the seller what his coin is really worth?
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07/09/2016 02:47 am
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First up there are NO hard and fast valuations for coins, The values are Market driven Just like any other collectable or commodity.
There are however some good resources that will give you what average sales values and current market expectations are for just about any given coin.
Most Hardcover guides are pretty much outdated even before they are printed as these will just give you a guide to what a particular coin was sold for last year.
Looking through ebay completed sales will give you a pretty good idea of what a coin is trending at and so do certain websites (subscriptions required) that specialise in coin valuations using real time information.

Even "Armed" with this information you cannot "Force" any seller to come to your "Price".
The ONLY way that you can get a given coin at a price that you have set for yourself is to "Shop around" and be patient.
If after a while this isn't working for you then obviously your price expectations are too low and you may have to revise your thinking about that.
The same applies to sellers, If their expectations are too high and they want to sell then after a while they will drop their price or just remove the coin from the market.

The prices achieved on ebay are different from those at a regular auction because ebay has a bigger audience and as with most coin auctions it all depends on who is bidding on the day as to the prices achieved, As these can and do vary wildly between auctions.

So to surmise;
A coin is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it and what a seller is prepared to sell it for on the day.
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If someone really overvalues their product (more than 20% over market), it is doubtful that anything will convince them, so I would not bother and keep searching.

ebay is full of over-priced product. It has been pointed out by many and quite correctly so, that there is nothing illegal or immoral about asking an inflated price for a corrected described item.

This is not unique to the coin market. Just go to any flea market and see what some people are asking for some stuff.

It is their business if they want to list something for a year and not sell it, or if someone wants to buy at that price.
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One needs to take take in more than just "normal" pricing, especially with attractive toning. I have and would continue to pay double (and then some) for attractive toning. Coinsociety.com has a fairly current listing of prices realized from ebay sales. And breaks it down to OGH, CAC, TPG and some popular varieties.
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There are many kinds of coin buyers out there. Some are informed but others not. Some are impulsive and must have the coin. Some have disposable income and don't care about price. Many sellers have learned that it only takes one to come along to make a sale so they're willing to wait.
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One needs to take take in more than just "normal" pricing, especially with attractive toning.



That is a good point , also availability is another issue that can affect price.


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There are many kinds of coin buyers out there.


Yes there are and I find the worst kind are those that like to Bully and intimidate in an attempt to drive a price down.
If I am not happy with a price I won't even try to negotiate, I will simply "Pass" and move on.

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With more expensive, higher end certified coins, I have much better luck with Heritage Auctions or Great Collections auctions. Most buy it now / make offer items on ebay are over priced and will never sell at the price asked. Most sellers are not willing to discount much at all, maybe 5-10% at most so I mostly do not waste my time making offers but rather wait until a coin I need is offered in a true auction format.
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Let it go and do not take it personally. I have been on both sides of the price battle, and if you overprice, you do not sell.
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.....especially when dealing with anything rare or unusual in the Morgan family, normal rules don't apply, it's crazy.
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