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1996 Cent. Finning? Rim Cud? Rim Burr? + Mad

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Is this a rim burr or something different? I've never seen a rum burr this strong.


1996-Cent.-Finning?-Rim-Cud?-Rim-Burr?-+-Mad

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I have had a few come across my desk like this. They usually turn out to be a rim Cud or finning issue (flattened, folded over, etc) I still haven't figured out how to tell the difference.

Really nice find though
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Probably a Misaligned Die (need to see the reverse to be sure) and a rim Cud most likely created by the die hitting the collar.
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Kid, If the reverse is normal then a cool misaligned die just touching the edge of no return. The dies design rim is off the grid on that side. My second interest is in the opposite side. In my opinion this maybe classified as a rim Cud by some of us including the experts and yes myself in most cases not long ago.

Note: I'm not bringing this up on a whim, nor trying to discredit yours or others as an actual rim Cuds, but have studied these for a while now. I had hoped to gather my own examples for display, but your coin or pictures of this one here shows exactly what I'm going to try to describe as possibly another type of or an alternative to an actual rim Cud in some cases.

The US Mint shows 1.52mm is the current standard thickness for cents. I have no specific + or - tolerances for thickness to give at this time. Thickness seems to vary even on normal struck coins, with tapered planchets and dies not meeting exactly flush and yes in cases similar to this (MAD) the thickness can vary a bit as well.

What I think I'm seeing over and over again on misaligned dies similar to this with the gutter is more of an "Incomplete Back-fill" and not an actual rim Cud every time. Not saying this one isn't a rim Cud, cause having the coin in hand beats any picture for gauging size and or thickness.

If the design rim is moved inward over the coin then the distance between it and the collar pushing metal back has more surface area to fill in on that side of the coin. Hence more pressure or material needed to complete the back-fill. Sometimes we see complete fill, sometimes not at all so couldn't there be a middle ground as in partial fill?

The gutter along with the partial raised or filled area resembles a raised blob of metal or Cud. Metal under pressure tends to move in the path of least resistance. My understanding of a true Cud is part of the dies design rim has broken or chipped away raising the area in question higher than the actual (1.52mm) design rim.

I find myself questioning many examples and seeking more evidence that these areas in question are actually raised due to the dies design rim has broken away or is the metal just raising up during the normal process of trying to back-fill (up and outward) into the gap or gutter?

One last point to ponder: If the design rim is actually all the way off one side of the coin, then what happens to the other side? Is it, (the design rim) now not fully covering the opposite side, thus making the rim rise higher? Thanks, Doug.
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A reverse image will show us if there is a weakness on the edge where the devices appear to fall over the edge. If so, then it is a collectable. But an image of the reverse would tell us more.
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I will get a reverse image shortly.
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I was hoping to see a weakness on the reverse opposite the MAD:
1996-Cent.-Finning?-Rim-Cud?-Rim-Burr?-+-Mad

It should be in the same location as the one I posted. On AMERICA. I'm not seeing it on your image. But it is a MAD coin. I would still consider it a collectable piece.
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In real life I see the weakness. It's not portrayed in the photo unfortunately.
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Great. Then it is a collectable.
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That's very wonderful to know. Thanks for the help as always.
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