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Ebay Crackdown On Subpar TPG?

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 Posted 07/30/2016  09:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
ebay username: centsles
TPG: National Numismatic Certification

If you go to his/her store you'll notice that the grades on the slabs are now blacked out.

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 Posted 07/30/2016  10:34 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was a topic at ebay open 2016 in Las Vegas......yes.
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"Centsles", and his basement slabbing company NNC, have long been a topic on many coin discussion boards.

His slabs are generally not well thought of online or in the aftermarket.

Maybe it is the beginning of the end. We can only hope!

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I like it.
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Been enforced for some time now. This guy just was able to skate by because he's a managed account. Not any more though.
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Been enforced for some time now


Not for this guy. His most recent feedback item has no blackout.

BTW, I actually now remember doing business with him, all the while appalled by many of his listings. The coin I bought was a little different than his normal stock-in-trade: raw 1872 Indian Head, which I was satisfied with.
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 Posted 07/30/2016  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CalzoneManiac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see things on ebay have changed since that SBA quarter he had.
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Not for this guy.


I believe I said that pretty clearly.
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For those unfamiliar with ebay's policy ---

"The numeric grade (such as MS-65, VF-25) isn't included in the title, description, or item specifics of the listing." (in the "Raw coins" section)

and

"Photos or scans of coins in holders from a non-approved grading company cannot show a grade. The grade must be completely obscured and unreadable."

Approved grading companies are:

Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC)
Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS)
American Numismatic Association Certification Service (ANACS)
Independent Coin Graders (ICG)

Technically, per WRITTEN policy, there is still a loophole for raw coin photos housed in, say, a 2x2 cardboard holder with the numeric grade written or printed on it (unless one interprets "a holder from a non-approved grading service" to include ANY holder whatsoever). I've seen listings with the raw coin sitting on a piece of paper or outside of an envelope with a numeric grade written on it.
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This is great news if ebay holds him to it. Bobby knows all too well the preferential treatment he gets due to his earning capacity. Lets hope this holds and causes his sales to slip to the point his protection detail at ebay dissolves! He's pure scum plain and simple.

And what happened to segs? Weren't they an approved ebay TPG?
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Should those that don't comply be reported?

Example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIA-UNCI...AOSwqYBWpxjD
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Nope.
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I believe I said that pretty clearly


You did. Sorry.
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The words I'd use to describe this seller are not appropriate for this forum.

Suffice to say, I am pleased with this change in ebay's policy enforcement.
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And what happened to segs? Weren't they an approved ebay TPG?

No. They did all things ebay required for a service to qualify as an approved Grading Company, but ebay never gave them approval.
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 Posted 08/03/2016  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He sued ebay over the accepted TPG thing. I think this was probably a compromise of some sort.
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