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2016 D Lincoln Cent... Is This A DDO Doubling Or Are My Eyes Crossing? MD?

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 Posted 09/02/2016  01:10 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add marymanard to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
so my hubby brought home a $25 case of brand new 2016 pennies. and the kids and I were going through them for the fun of it. not seeing anything particularly interesting. but then this roll almost all of them look like there is a sort of doubling... (that or my eyes are tired...)

anyhow. you guys have always been so awesome to share your expert advice. I was hoping you could educate me a little on this....

thanks in advance, you guys always rock :)


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The devices look normal size. If there were some hub doubling I would expect the devices to be enlarged. But they not. I see light reflection off the fields and onto the devices. Is that what you are seeing?
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Have to agree with Coop. These latest copper plated coins are Sooo shiny that I've had "double takes" on several until I figured out what was going on. Unlike Coop, I see reduction in the size of some of the devices which suggests to me that there is some strike (hiccup) doubling on this coin also.
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Yep I see some lighting tricks, but keep on looking, and when you find one, you know
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Thank you for your input.... I am seeing lines on the letters like on the tr in the pic above. Some like the n and god looks like there is two separate letters on top of each other. But just barely. I can see it in any light. Though it is easier to see with the light at the right angle... Probably right just a trick of light. Though I only see it in yhe pennies from this roll and not on any others...


If it is as you said Strike Doubling. Is that anything anyone cares about?

Also I was looking at weclers ddo-006 for 2016. And though the letters and numbers are thicker thine mine the outline arpund the letters looks the same. Is the DDO chariterized by the thickness only or by the outline also

Thank you for your patience with me
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The best way to see if it is a trick of light is to rotate the coin 180 degrees. If the light is on the opposite side and the what you are seeing is gone, it is the light.
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The best way to see if it is a trick of light is to rotate the coin 180 degrees. If the light is on the opposite side and the what you are seeing is gone, it is the light.


Yep, I do this all the time.
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yeah I do that... and so by that measure I see it on all sides.notice the year pics above are from 2 different angles. one with and one without flash... but the letters (devices?) are not fat so its MD?
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ok I did some arrow things to point at what I'm seeing.. rightside up compared to upside down..

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When I mention that the devices look normal thickness, it means there is no hub doubling present. Often it takes a side by side look to see the differences. Even on the other ones listed by John Wexler, he mentions light doubling. What does that mean? The trained eye can see the differences, but for others it takes a side by side comparison. I prepared one of these to show how slight the difference can be:
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The first image on top left is from a doubled die, but the date is not affected. The other three it mentions light doubling. He didn't have one listed for that year with strong doubling. But not the 005 on upper top right. I feel that is what you have on your coin. Slight machine damage on the base of the devices. That is why it shows on your coin with the light. This is not part of the hub doubling, but is MD on a doubled die. I though you would light see what I meant about enlarging the doubling on devices.
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yes thank you. that is very helpful!!
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