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1921 Morgan Dollar Proof?

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 Posted 09/18/2016  10:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add soyl_is_dert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought this at auction with 5 other Morgans of the same year all in a bag. When I went to put them in folders I noticed this on has an unusual ring of dirt/tarnish as though it had been sitting on something slightly larger than a quarter.

Now the wierd part: I am fairly confident this is some kind of proof. Just below the eagle feathers and below "In God we trust" there are tarnished areas that slowly become mirror finish then abruptly end at the radius of the tarnish circle. I can even see on the non mirror areas within the "clean" inner circle that although there is some heavy toning and light tarnish these surfaces are clean and certainly a mirror finish too.

I know there are only two proof styles for this year and they are exceedingly rare but I think I'd kick myself if I didn't at least have a professional look at this first. If I send this to a grading service are they just going to grade it as a dirty old coin or will they know to check if its a proof? I am 100% confident I could dip this coin and it's a proof (or some mirror like equivalent from that year). But of course if I do that I prove myself right and destroy the value of the coin.

I guess someone could have polished it 50 years ago then it tarnished over again while sitting on something though. I'd just like to get a professional to look at it.

Where/who should I send it? Thx

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 Posted 09/18/2016  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF!


Unfortunately, this coin is not a proof coin and it would be a waste of money to get it sent in. However, it looks like a pretty decent 1921 Morgan dollar!
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 Posted 09/19/2016  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post a photo of the obverse. The Zerbe proofs were much like a business prooflike 1921 Morgan and there are some die markers to confirm the coin is a Zerbe proof from a business prooflike. Your coin does not show a prooflike surface and appears to have a soft strike. The Zerbe proofs did have a strike better than a well struck business 1921.

The photo below is a reverse of a Zerbe Proof and you can compare the strike qualities of your coin and a proof coin.



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 Posted 09/19/2016  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin appears to have a D mintmark which would rule out any possibility that it might be a proof. Given the common-date status, apparent light wear, and dull toning I'd say you have a generic Morgan dollar which is mainly valued for its silver content.
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 Posted 09/19/2016  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What you have here is a dirty 1921-D Morgan that won't carry much of a premium.
If you don't mind my asking, what are the five other Morgans you got with it?
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 Posted 09/19/2016  09:11 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As noted above there were no proof Morgans struck in Denver.
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 Posted 09/19/2016  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh well.



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Looks a bit like an impaired Zerbe proof but the D mint mark gives it away as a business strike. That said, it's a lovely looking coin probably a solid AU although we'd need some pictures of the obverse to confirm.
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 Posted 09/19/2016  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please focus in on this D mintmark. Can't quite see it.
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I'm in the same boat with Coinfrog. I'm not seeing the MM either.
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 Posted 09/19/2016  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 - to CCF!

Rebalanced OP's picture in PS and circled possible MM area.

Coin also has PVC damage (left side and top of reverse, green gunk)

I would grade it AU details, environmental damage / PVC, and value it at melt. It is definitely not a prooflike strike (Chapman or Zerbe.)

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Acetone candidate.
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