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1895 IHC (Possible Proof) W/ Strong Obverse Clash As Well As Reverse Clash

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Hey all. I picked up this cent just a few days ago. This was part of a larger lot and I just now had a chance to examine the coin. I believe the coin is a proof. The coin has a very strong strike, sharpe edges, clean mirrored fields, and a thick square rim. What is really cool with the coin is the die clashes on both the obverse and reverse. The obverse clash is very strong and easily recognized, the reverse is much lighter, but at the right angle the indian face is clearly visible running through the O in one and the C in cent. I am fairly new to collecting Indian cents, and I would like your alls opinion on the rarity of the coin. I did some research and have not found any info in regards to IHC proof clashes. I tried to take the best photos I can to illustrate what I am seeing with the coin in hand. Any and all input will be greatly appreciated.

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 Posted 10/01/2016  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I can say now (because I don't know to much about IHC) is...those are awesome pictures!

Excellent die clash!
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Not sure about proof, but defenetely great clash!
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My gut says not a proof. I have a business-strike IHC in similar condition with semi-PL fields, but I know it is not a proof.
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I do not believe this is a proof either.
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Thanks all, I was on the fence about the proof, and I after the feedback, I think the coin is just very well struck.
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WOW! Just....WOW!

Great coin. Definitely a keeper.

May struck with a prepared for proof planchet?
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Thanks Coop! That overlay is awesome!
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I also don't think it's a proof. It is a strong strike.
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I agree. The proof cents seem to tone more:
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=2372
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=2373
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm...aspx?s=82374
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=2374

You have a great die clash example, it is just not a proof coin. IMOHO
Here is a side by side of the clash areas with arrows. That is even a better comparison:
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Thanks Coop! I learn so much from your knowledge and illustrations. You go the extra mile to educate your fellow forum members, it's really appreciated!
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Does someone have the Snow book? You would think this clash would be listed.
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Definitely not a proof and I suspect a Bay Area EDM counterfeit.
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Conder is on to something. This thread caught my eye as two-sided clashed dies on IHC are almost unheard of except when caused by MAD or OCC. I have doubts about the authenticity of the coin. I would recommend professional evaluation and certification; Rick Snow would be my first "go-to" point of contact.
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Hey all, I am out on a date right now. I am headed home. I have a scale and another 95 I can take a side by side shot of. I pickes the coin up from a local Indianapolis coin shop with a strong reputation. Anyway, if anyone has a way to tell if it is a counterfeit please let me know. Yhanks for the help.
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