Quote: If the creator is a US citizen and overstrikes fantasy dates using authentic US coinage as planchets then sure, they have just as much legal right as Dan does. The Chinese for instance hold no legal right to use the designs as they are not US citizens. But who and how would they be punished.
It is completely irrelevant Who or where these things are made, It makes NO difference whatsoever. To say that if they are produced in China that they would not be legal is ludicrous.
Most US coin designs belong to the American people Trout. Any American citizen is free to use them as they please. If you are not a US citizen you have no claim of ownership to it
My point is that one would not be able to determine which is which, so where the non-Carr pieces were made is indeed irrelevant. Consider what will happen when we see them sitting side-by-side in the dealer's case five, ten, or twenty years from now, only thing is that the dealer has both labeled (and priced) as Carr pieces.
Quote: Most US coin designs belong to the American people Trout. Any American citizen is free to use them as they please. If you are not a US citizen you have no claim of ownership to it
Using that logic any US coin counterfeited by a US citizen is "kosher", I very much doubt that this is the case. Anyway do you really think that our Chinese friends give two hoots about the US legality of what they are producing Because in China it isn't illegal to make these things.
I find it tragic and amusing that anyone would worry about a barely legal fantasy coin being produced by someone other than Mr Carr and thinking that they would be a counterfeit.
As far as I know, DC has the only working genuine US Mint coinage press (i.e. one that was actually used to mint circulating coinage, NCLT, and commemoratives) in operation in private hands inside or outside of the United States.
No one can replicate the product, because no one outside of the US Mint and Mr. Carr have the tools or equipment. Some might have the skill, but they will be working with inferior equipment, and the substandard results will be self-evident.
I find it absurd that people are arguing about things that haven't happened yet (counterfeits of Daniel Carr restrikes? REALLY?) Do you not realize that your reasoning is flawed? If, as you say, only a very small minority of collectors have any interest in buying or owning the Carr restrikes, there is no motivation for anyone to make counterfeit copies in the first place!
If you don't like the restrikes, don't buy them. It's a free country, and a free market, and you can express your opinion with your wallet and/or bank account. If you truly, in your hearts, believe that what he is doing is criminal, unethical, or illegal, then call the Department of the Treasury, the Secret Service, the FBI, or write your duly elected Representatives in the Senate or House and demand that he be held accountable. Since he hasn't been tossed in jail yet, I would suggest further study on what the laws actually state before going off accusing people of breaking them willy-nilly.
Like any businessman and entrepreneur, he has had an idea, identified a market, brought his concept to production, marketed it, and the market has accepted it in turn. He has found a niche that allows him to operate within the law, even if it may be uncomfortably close to beyond for some of us.
You can't make a forgery or counterfeit of something that never existed in the first place. If he starts making copies of coins with date and mintmark combinations that actually existed, we'll have a problem. Until then, I'll keep speaking with my wallet.
Would be interested in your thoughts about J.S.G. Boggs self-made Currency/Art, and why Mr. Carr's work is legal to sell for profit, and Mr. Boggs has been arrested & his Notes Confiscated in the past when spending them as Works of Art..
Here is a early video I found on YouTube..
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No one can replicate the product, because no one outside of the US Mint and Mr. Carr have the tools or equipment. Some might have the skill, but they will be working with inferior equipment, and the substandard results will be self-evident.
This is absolutely NOT the case don't think for one second that the US Mint and Danial Carr is the only place on the planet that you will find a coin press. There is nothing secret or super high tech about a coin press and there is a high probability that many of the presses outside of Mr Carr's Obsolete press are actually far better and more modern machines.
Broken-Coin, presumably because he was attempting to spend them.
Trout, that may be the case, but they do not have the history behind them or associated with them. I still do not think there is anyone out there right now who could produce a better fantasy restrike than Mr. Carr is currently doing. Sure, anyone with a modern coin press and the ability to make galvanos, hubs, and dies could recreate any coin of their choosing, but not many governments would sanction it, and the number of individuals and companies with such equipment is somewhat limited. I suppose the old Franklin Mint could have done back in the day and a few other larger companies at least here in the US. But given such a small demand, and such a niche market, I doubt the costs could be reasonably justified.
Quote: I doubt the costs could be reasonably justified.
I am pretty sure that isn't a problem in mainland China. Also to assume that Mr Carr is the only person that has the capability to produce these restrikes is absurd, there are many capable sculptors and craftsmen out there that are as good if not better. Yes it is a "Niche" market but any coin that is pulling a hundred Bucks or more a pop is a target. Just think of all the highly skilled counterfeiters out there that are now producing pretty much perfect counterfeits that could now turn their attention to this overstrike market that Mr Carr has found a loophole to be able to produce these things legally.
Quote: I find it absurd that people are arguing about things that haven't happened yet (counterfeits of Daniel Carr restrikes? REALLY?) Do you not realize that your reasoning is flawed? If, as you say, only a very small minority of collectors have any interest in buying or owning the Carr restrikes, there is no motivation for anyone to make counterfeit copies in the first place!
It's absolutely happened. I've gotten several of them removed from ebay.
Bobby, were these copies of the overstrikes or just fakes of his other work? I know there were some of his one dollar prototypes that were being faked. He shows them on his own website. And the fakes really are nowhere near the quality of his work. But, then again, the way the American market is, the fakers don;t have to make perfect ones.
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