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 Posted 12/11/2016  05:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcarr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... Mr. Boggs has been arrested & his Notes Confiscated in the past when spending them as Works of Art..


Boggs was never actually charged with any crime relating to his currency drawing or "performance art" (spending of them as his artwork).

The Secret Service was concerned, however, because he was creating (out of ordinary paper and ink) items that looked like legal tender.
If he took a genuine $20 bill, for example, and printed or drew over it without increasing the apparent face value, there would have been no such concern.

When I over-strike existing genuine coins I am not increasing the apparent face value, nor am I changing the design type or creating any known rare dates for that type.
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 Posted 12/11/2016  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcarr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just think of all the highly skilled counterfeiters out there that are now producing pretty much perfect counterfeits that could now turn their attention to this overstrike market that Mr Carr has found a loophole to be able to produce these things legally.


These "perfect" counterfeiters, it would actually be preferable if they switched to producing only fantasy-date pieces. That would make them easy to spot.

In reality, though, I don't believe that a "perfect counterfeit" is possible.

Anybody that sells an item knowing that it is counterfeit, while claiming it to be a genuine original, is committing a fraud. There are no "loopholes" when it comes to fraudulent intent.
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 Posted 12/11/2016  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the explanation on the difference between your work and J.S.G. Boggs, it now makes sense..
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 Posted 12/16/2016  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread need some pics

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 Posted 12/16/2016  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow those silver Colorado medals look really cool...
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 Posted 12/16/2016  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome set Cascade!
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 Posted 12/16/2016  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Wow those silver Colorado medals look really cool...
They are quite impressive.
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 Posted 12/16/2016  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's better pics...


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 Posted 12/16/2016  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dcarr says " In reality, though, I don't believe that a "perfect counterfeit" is possible"

Curiosity questions:
would this be a perfect counterfeit if instead of 1964 being used the date and MM combo of 1889-CC was used on the morgan? Just curious as has already been mentioned an XRF wouldn't prove it was not real.
So other than date and mm, what on here is a distinguishing feature that tells me it is not anything other than a fantasy piece? Sorry if I missed that as I saw someone else asked but date and mm kept being the answer. So I am curious... thanks for taking the time to answer.

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 Posted 12/16/2016  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing set Cascade!

The reason I don't think a perfect counterfeit is possible anymore is b/c there are so many minute details known about the real dies. The VAMmers would surely pick up on a fake Morgan unless someone could take the time to duplicate the markers for a specific coin. And even then there may be concepts that occur during pressing, of which I have no knowledge, that might make it impossible to consistently make these minute marker details come out perfect.

Anybody have some more insight?
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 Posted 12/17/2016  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcarr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every time a transfer is made from or to a coin or die, there is a very slight rounding of the details, even with the best equipment and techniques.
The markers on genuine coins are often so small that the "rounding" during transfer will obliterate them.
These markers include things like thin die scratches, surface texture, etc.

Other aspects of a coin are also extremely difficult to match, such as the type of luster that the genuine coin has.
Patina that is 100 years old can not be replicated over a short time span.
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 Posted 12/17/2016  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the clarification. This makes a lot of sense.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. I haven't been on the forum in quite a while & people are still debating the Carr pieces. I've got a few thoughts on the subject. Several years ago there were pictures of a Chinese counterfeiting operation in various threads on this forum. Featured prominently in those pictures was an actual US Mint press purchased as scrap that was being used to strike the coins. Mr Carr produces numerous items that can be classified as art. Having said that, changing the date on an existing design hardly qualifies as imaginative and/or artistic.
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Just got my "Proof-Like" Die Pair 2's.. If you haven't grabbed any yet I highly suggest you do. These are amazing

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 Posted 01/21/2017  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys aren't going to believe the new sexiness Dan has created. I just bought these two for my overstrike set. The 2oz Broken Sword Peace dollar is killer too. It all is actually! Hurry up If you want one as who knows how limited the mintages will be but I can guarntee a rush on buying today

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