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1875-S Trade Dollar For Grading, Very Old Toning.

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This coin is somewhat of an enigma as well. 1875-S Trade dollar. It has the die diagnostics of authenticity, as far as ribbon end, leaf, and arrow positions, so I'm not worried there. The obverse is heavily toned, much like I see on old Morgans, and the reverse is toned to a lesser extent. What gets me is the die cracks on the reverse -- they are plentiful and very noticeable, especially around the legend. I don't see anything too incredibly major, possibly an old cleaning many years ago, but nothing surprising except those die cracks. Much like the Half Cent I just posted, I'll send this one back if it ends up being a real stinker.

Thoughts on this coin and its grade welcomed.

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I like it. Perhaps an old cleaning, but nicely retoned. I'd say AU-53, problem-free, and interesting die cracks. Hopefully it's authentic.
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Toning is odd, but not unreasonable. I can't see the luster, but this coin is in the AU range.
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AU-50, I like the die breaks on the reverse, looks like that die was just about worn out.
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AU50. it does have the look of being cleaned at one time. since its not slabbed you taking a bit of a risk regarding that as I'm not sure if it would grade straight
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I don't plan on slabbing it, really. I have a raw 1878-S in higher grade but it was whizzed and the hairlines are very noticeable to the point of being a major distraction, so to me, this one has better eye appeal. I've got a slabbed AU58 as well (1877-S, IIRC)

The cracks might lead to an S/CC, now that would be a treat...
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I have an 1875 S/cc the die cracks on the reverse are extensive and different from your coin.
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AU Details Cleaned

It has the look of a coin that has been cleaned and retoned. It appears to be genuine. If you do decide to have it graded, please post results. I have been looking for a AU nicely toned with color Trade dollar with a straight grade, and they are hard to find.
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Now THAT's good info, Muddler -- thank you :) & Slider, I definitely agree w/hard to find. I looked for 6+ months to find my slabbed AU example for my type set, there is a lot of overgraded, overpriced, or just plain ugly coins out there, and the only "Fresh" material seems to be coming from China. I do have a raw AU with some iridescent toning but it's got hairlines from a past cleaning (the reason I got this coin was to upgrade that one.)

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AU-50 cleaned, but better-looing than many.
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AU-50, probably Details.
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My '77-S & '78-S for comparison. The '77S is PCGS AU58 with toning, the 78-S is raw AU details ex-NGC, cleaned but not too ugly, and has some iridescent obverse and reverse toning that's hard to get on film, but the last pic shows it, some blue and reddish-gold.

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