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1961-D LMC 1961-D-1MM-048 What Do You Think?

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I have been searching for a match and may have found one. What do you think? (Overlay used with permission)
http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...ie_state=lds


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The biggest problem with that number is that the RPM does not have a tilted with the split serifs. So I would say no for a match for that one. Still looking to see if its is listed or not though. yours is a RPM, just not this one.
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A tilted what?
Here is side by side.



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There are several different types of RPMs. Here is a list of what there are:
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Note the last 4 on the bottom row. A tilted occurs when the punch is not vertical when it is struck. The location might be close, but was not right on top of the previous punches.
Here are some examples:
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Note the ones with 'T' on the lower corners. That denotes that the serif/serifs have split/splits on them. Here is an example from the same year:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
Note the splits on the corners of the mint mark? Those are called split serifs. They can denote a tilted, but other events will also cause split serif.

Well looking over the listings, I didn't find a match. There was one that was close, but the split on the serif was slightly different and I determined it wasn't that die. I wanted to show you so all could lean a bit more on die attributions.
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Note the location of the upper split. That was the thing that disqualified this one. I didn't even make an overlay for the locations. The split in the wrong place told me it was not that die.
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All right. I understand. What a fantastic explanation! Thanks!
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That what I do. Always the teacher. I make images for questions not even asked yet. Just getting prepared before they are asked.
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I make images for questions not even asked yet. Just getting prepared before they are asked.




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I was just looking at Coop's example again. I notice that it compares my RPM to 083. I was comparing to 048 - especially because of the protrusion out of the mint mark on the upper right portion. I have looked at coppercoins, Wexler and CONECA and, unfortunately, none of their photos are clear enough to show split serifs. Wexler and CONECA do, however, show flow lines around the mint mark which are, at least, very close to mine, if not identical. Wexler shows those flow lines most clearly and distinctly.

The problem, of course, is that I am unable to find any of the other indicated markers. I am able to take Wexler's image and enhance it a bit to where there is a semblance of a split on the upper serif. It appears to be in the same position as the one on my coin but that is not conclusively clear.

Bottom line is that I am not yet convinced that my coin is not a match with 048.

I have taken another photo of the flow lines on my coin and enhanced them by sharpening the image. This photo is for comparison to Wexler's image 048 here http://doubleddie.com/311222.html





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Your images are getting better. I'm still waiting for John's images to be posted before I give up on all my unlisted ones. If I had a many examples of these I would submit one to have it listed. But for one, I would wait for his files.
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That little protrusion is pretty distictive (on 048). It shows better on your earlier photos but gets pixelated away on the last one.

What is the overall condition of your coin? Is it circulated or fresh?
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What is the overall condition of your coin? Is it circulated or fresh?


This coin is BU. That is one of my problems. I have not worked with BU coins before and I am having quite some difficulty taking photos with out glare. I have tried single light sources, covering the light with tissue or paper, and directing it at many different angles towards and away from the coin.

I am becoming convinced that it is 048. I am open to arguments to the contrary, however.
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The split serifs is the biggest concern. It shouldn't have them for that die number.
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I see the location as pretty close. That said I'm leaning more towards coops indicator that the splits serif present in your images are not present on any examples I've seen thus far for the 048 die.

With no other markers to go on makes it difficult to match at this time. I'll still keep looking just in case. Thanks, Doug.
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Thanks Doug

Can you give me a link to an 048 where the split serifs are visible?
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Coop how do you know 048 should not have split serifs?
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