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Non-Collector With Rare Stuff/Big Collection But Not Selling. What To Do?

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Do any other members know non-collectors who for whatever reason ( inherited every time for me) that have some very rare stuff (cough BU Seated dollars) or huge collections that for whatever reason just do not sell?

What is the story?

For me the one guy has some nice Seated dollars and will sell but wants to hold them awhile in case they go up in value. I try and say collector coins are not a good investment but he does not care.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually encounter quite a few of such people when I visit my local coin shop in The Netherlands. I usually spend a few hours there when I visit, also because the owner is a great guy to talk to, and during such visits a lot of people walk in with things to sell, usually already with big dollar signs in their eyes when they enter the shop. There are a lot of people who inherit or somehow get a collection of coins and instantly think they hit the jackpot by doing so.

This guy is actually quite honest in his findings and also open in giving an analysis of why he puts a certain price on things. Nevertheless, a lot of people just get disappointed when they her the final verdict and decide not to sell. But honestly, if you come up with a huge stamp collection with only regular circulation stamps in rusty condition, you shouldn't expect much. Same goes for coins: a 1964 Kennedy half isn't worth more than melt. And if you then walk in with a silver edition of the last Dutch gulden (mintage 360) and you get a 1500 euro offer, then you got yourself a good deal, actually... no need to be disappointed and just walk away!

I guess somehow 'greed' or 'false expectancy' are the keywords here.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've encountered lots of people that had desirable collectible stuff, with no appreciation for what they had and no desire to sell it.
I can't relate.
My best guess is that they are too lazy to do some fun research and merely want to play the child's game of "I have something you don't have."
I've seen it with firearms, motorcycles and depression glass.
Our public education has done us a great disservice by failing to teach that not all brains work the same way.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, Chute, at least with the part about not appreciating what they have. I can see wanting to hang onto a collection for contingencies, though. My mom made me promise not to sell my grandpa's junk silver except in emergencies. Grandpa's family lost everything in the Depression, and he taught his kids that they should always have a stash of "real money" in case our current currency, which basically has no intrinsic value, ever crashes. It may not be realistic, but lots of folks feel that way. We like to have a hedge against the unknown.

For me, though I don't have any coins that would be likely to excite true collectors (most of them came out of the till at my grandpa's service station, so they're well circulated and probably cleaned after handling by greasy hands), my reason for not selling is more sentimental. Grandpa loved those coins, so I did too, even before I started learning what they were. This is a purely emotional argument, but I'd feel I was betraying him if I sold them. The folks you're talking about might have similarly sentimental reasons for hanging onto them, even if they don't really "get" the numismatic worth of the coins. And not everyone is comfortable admitting to sentimentality, so they might not tell you that!

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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IamCam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, different reasons for holding onto a collection. Some people with no coin knowledge worry they will give away a super valuable coin for dirt cheap. However, I am learning it is so easy with the internet these days to see if you have one of those that is worth the big bucks. But as a newbie, learning about coins can be overwhelming and maybe people dont have time to do the research.

I also agree that some people have the I got something you don't mentality. Applies to more than just coins, too.

If its an inherited collection, yes, there may be no appreciation for it and also they figure it cost them nothing so they are not worried about getting something in return for it.



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Just because someone inherits a coin collection , Common or Rare , doesn't mean they have no other choice but to sell it . Ever hear of sentimental value !
It's a very strong value that in most cases surpasses monetary value !
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T-BOP points out one of the biggest reasons non-collectors may not do anything with the coins passed down to them. Sentimental value. I have some common coins in my collection that are off to the side that came from my grandfather. They remind me of the times we spent together doing something we both enjoyed. I did not receive any high dollar coin from him, but these commons are priceless to me. Sentimental non-collectors may not appreciate the coin, but that is not why they are keeping it. These coins take people back to their childhood quite often. Or to times spent with a loved on doing something together. They are physical item their loved one held and connects them to someone they loved. You can not place a value on that.

On the flip side, there are those that simply think their coins are super valuable or will be if they keep them. I try to educate, but people believe what they want and that is where I leave it with them.

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 Posted 10/27/2016  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IamCam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My coin collection consists of coins that belonged to my grandfather, so the sentimental value is priceless to me. It is not that my grandfather knew much about the coins other than they had some value. What he had was a big stash of them. I hve six siblings, and what happened is that one of the siblings divvied them up scooping an equal amount into seven little gift bags. Now equal is subjective in this case, and it happened back in the 90s. What I would like to do is buy any coins for its silver value from any of my siblings just to keep more of the collection together.

That being said, I do know some people are not sentimental. Go figure. I agree the coins take us back in time and tell a history of not just our nation but our families as well.

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My wife's father's side of the family (second cousins etc) has an impressive collection of Confederate notes that her great-great-great grandfather collected from circulation during the war. Big dollar value, but they are priceless as a family heirloom.
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Also, when we know we are ignorant about something like this, it's healthy to look on any advice, however well meant, with caution, I had a dealer tell me the other day that this was a great time to be selling off my junk silver, as the prices were likely to go down. Only a week earlier another dealer, trying to sell me bullion, told me this was a great time to buy, as prices are artificially low and likely to go up!

If I don't know what something is worth, I'm unlikely to accept an offer from someone who wants to buy it without doing my own research first. I'd have to REALLY trust them first!
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I have seen all that has been mentioed so far ...

Sometimes it is very hard to understand the motivation behind
not selling.

One of the latest was a large collection we looked at when silver was
around $30oz. The collection had a lot of common silver coins. At that time
we offered around 15K for it.

They recently brought it back ... we rounded up to 7K. I asked the owner
why she didn't sell it the first time .. her response .. she thought it would
go up in value.

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Another lady brought in some very high end, graded, early $20.00 gold
Liberty's, New Orleans mint. There were between 12 to 16 coins.
We offered her a minimum of 240k.
We told we would bring in a expert and she could get more.

Her response .... that's not enough. She had looked them up online
and thought they were worth more.
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Ever hear of sentimental value !
It's a very strong value that in most cases surpasses monetary value !
This was my thought immediately.
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There is nothing more valuable than sentimental value. The big reason is because 99% of the time if you sell it... you can NEVER get it back. Even when buying back a like-kind item. It's just not the same. I made the mistake of selling a watch once that had sentimental value. I never really wore it so I thought it would be a good idea to sell it and buy a different one. I regretted it soon after. Since then I purchased the same watch (not exact same one but same model) but it's still not the same. It's not always about owning something that YOU appreciate but owning something that someone you loved appreciated.
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I suspect it's six of one and a half-dozen of the other.

I think it all depends upon where you are in life -- how much you have, how much you owe, etc. Also, inheritances often have to be divided. The heirs might agree on a sell price that is unrealistic -- so they wait.
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If you don't NEED the money, why sell? It's an asset that isn't consuming anything, and if you sell you have to pay taxes on the money. So why sell unless you really need the money for something. (I have a low key lifestyle and as long as I have enough money to pay my utilities and food I'm satisfied. I earn more than that so I have no great desire to try and acquire even more.)
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I made the mistake of selling a watch once that had sentimental value. I never really wore it so I thought it would be a good idea to sell it and buy a different one. I regretted it soon after. Since then I purchased the same watch (not exact same one but same model) but it's still not the same. It's not always about owning something that YOU appreciate but owning something that someone you loved appreciated.
I agree. I was not really a watch guy, but ten years ago I inherited one and have worn it ever since. I cannot imagine selling it or buying another to wear instead.
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