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This is my coin but unfortunately my camera remains broken. What you see here is the photo which accompanied the vcoins listing. This denarius minted by the moneyer P. Licinius Nerva in 112-113 depicts an election scene in republican Rome. The obverse shows the helmeted goddess Roma while on the reverse an official is handing out ballot papers while another man casts his vote. On this example the ballot paper is clearly visible. It goes to show that, proceduraly at least not much has changed.  Edited by FlaviusJ
11/08/2016 5:26 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Not much has changed...
Really?
In ancient Rome the people were distributed among 12 tribes, but while the rich men were placed in ten "rural" tribes the poorest were placed in only two "Urban" tribes.
When they were going to vote, the tribes were going called to vote one after another, till one candidate has won in a decisive number of tribes so usually not all the tribes really voted.
This sistem assured that usually the candidates had the OK of the richest men.
"Candidate" is a word that comes from ancient Rome, where the candidates wear an special dress the "Toga Candida" (white Toga) to say to every body that they wanted to be elected.
Women and slaves didnīt vote, of course...
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Interesting coin, fitting that today is election day here in the US.
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great post @flaviusJ!  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Valued Member
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When I said not much has changed I just meant in the sense of casting your ballot. However while we've dispensed with voting tribes, politicians of all stripes in many countries still do dubious things with electoral district boundaries to the same effect.
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Itīs very easy to know who is going to win the USA elections months before... You only need to answer to our expresident Rodriguez Zapatero (the father of the orcs who visited your president Obama...). And choose the other candidate of course! He has failed his predictions in about 20 foreign elections... ...and his explicit support is the real "Death kiss"!  Edited by Athalbert
11/09/2016 02:12 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Interesting what themes can be found on coins. Also interesting to me in another way. Recently I have been reading a college textbook (for fun) of Roman society that uses actual (translated) documents of contemporary Romans to show what their lives were like in all areas. I just got done with the political section and the voting procedures.
Although the book mentioned voting by people being split into "centuries" and "tribes" to vote (dictated by social standing), the book never indicated it was done with a ballot box. This coin fills in an important piece of info for further understanding.
Do we know what the other two people on the REV are doing?
@Athalbert
Thanks for the education on Zapatero... birds of a feather flock together.
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Hi Earle42. As far as I'm aware the standing man is receiving his ballot (a small clay tablet) from the seated man who is some kind of official.
Whats the name of the textbook youre reading?
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11/09/2016 12:44 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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The exact method of voting was evolving with times, in the early empire voting was maintained...
...but there were only two candidates for two consulships!
This coin remembers that an ancestor of this moneyer changed the vote method, creating those walls to separate members of diverse tribus and making more difficult the frauds.
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Bedrock of the Community
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As far as I'm aware the standing man is receiving his ballot (a small clay tablet) from the seated man who is some kind of official. Would it be a clay tablet or a waxed tablet? The wax-covered tablets are mentioned often in this book. The book is: As The Romans DidA Sourcebook in Roman Social Historyby Jo Ann Shelton 1988 Oxford U. Press ISBN 0-19-504177-1 Years ago I was able to visit Italy and can relate to the entries about some of the cities and other subjects. Just one such entry in the book is a writing in which a citizen of Pompeii is describing the layout of a prominent Roman bath in that city. I remember being in a prominent bath in Pompeii and have to wonder if the one being described by one if Pompeii's citizens in this book is not the one I visited? Edited by Earle42
11/09/2016 1:29 pm
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I believe they used both unfired clay tablets and wax tablets. In ancient Athens pot shards were.
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Pillar of the Community
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I recommend to read the books written by Colleen Mc Cullough about ancient Rome...
The First Man in Rome (1990)
The Grass Crown (1991)
Fortune's Favorites (1993)
Caesar's Women (1996)
Caesar (1997)
The October Horse (2002)
Antony and Cleopatra (2007)
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those books have only few minor mistakes, but they have a vivid image of daily life...
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