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The SLQ--Such A Short Issue

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It's ironic that while the Standing Liberty quarter is regarded by many as one of the US' most beautiful designs, it also has one of the shortest life spans--only 14 years.

From what I've read, the Mint intended to honor the bicentennial of George Washington's b-day in 1932 with a new half dollar design. But then they changed their minds and put it on the quarter. Wikipedia says that in doing so, the Mint felt that they were replacing an "unsatisfactory" design.

What did they find "unsatisfactory" about it? They had already solved the dateless coin problem by recessing the date. Perhaps people back then weren't in love with the design as we are now?
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The Washington commemorative idea was intended to be a commemorative half dollar, as Washington fever was hitting the US again in the late 20s-early 30s with the coming of the 200th anniversary of his birth.

Congress (and President Hoover) by that time were pretty upset as commemoratives simply were not wanted by the public, especially with the country sinking deeper into the Great Depression by the day; the Oregon Trail half-dollar controversy (also a really neat story) didn't help matters at all.

That being the case, it was decided to see which coin could be most conveniently replaced with the least amount of fuss. The rule was that the design could not be changed for twenty-five years, which meant that pretty much all of the then-current circulating US coin designs could have been dumped. The SLQ looked good: not only were quarters not circulating widely by 1930, the series had been run through with problems since it launched, from the exposed breast controversy (chainmail-gate?) to striking issues to the date wear problem. So the commemoration was changed to use the quarter.

Laura Gardin Fraser (wife of James Fraser of Buffalo nickel fame) designed what was/is considered a great work of art for the new commemorative quarter, but Andrew Mellon's deep-seated resentment of women -- perhaps due to the scandal of his wife's affair and divorce 20 years before? -- ensured that a woman's work had no chance of ever being selected for the final design, the Committee of Fine Arts' recommendation being ignored in favor of Flanagan's soon-to-be-famous design.

That being said, the SLQ was mostly picked because it was an easy target, as most of the issues with design, striking, and wear had been pretty well resolved by 1930. The coin wasn't a smash hit with the public, partly due to the perception that the eagle on the reverse was sickly/weak and not accurately represented, and partly due to the whole exposed-breast controversy, which had church leaders calling for boycotts and threatening to file obscenity charges against members of Congress and/or have them recalled by elections. Meanwhile, there was a delay while the obverse was re-designed, and by the time the coin was back out in circulation in 1917, it wasn't nearly as popular as the Mercury dime or Walking Liberty half.

One of the great ironies, at least to me, is that what is arguably Flanagan's weakest work artistically of his entire (otherwise quite impressive) career, including his studies under St. Gaudens and his design for the Verdun medal, is what ended up gracing our quarters, and is still doing so, for almost 85 years; being a design which is inferior in terms of artistic merit and aesthetics when compared to the design of the SLQ it replaced.
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Very good read .l. Thanks for posting Paralyse ...

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What queers the SLQ set is the 1916 which is rare and expensive. Lots of us have almost complete sets of the SLQ minus the 1916. The 23-S is also an expensive coin in VF and above. It is so rare to see a really good SLQ in MS condition that when you do see one they almost look unreal. That was my experience seeing a 1917 SLQ in MS65. It looked fake but I know it was real.
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Adam this comes up often - is there any contemporaneous evidence of the furore? I thought the mint made the changes as part of the whole adjustments to the design so it struck up better.
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Thanks, paralyse, fascinating read about my favorite coin design.
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The rule was that the design could not be changed for twenty-five years

I'm confused about this part. How could they replace the SLQ if the design was only 16 years old?
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Its an ideal set for collectors. Its short, it has 2 big keys and a number of semi-keys and a number of common dates. And its beautiful. I am 3 coins away from a complete set. Looking forward to Days of... I will post my best of each year.
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Adam this comes up often - is there any contemporaneous evidence of the furore? I thought the mint made the changes as part of the whole adjustments to the design so it struck up better.
Yes, we have had this come up before. It is a myth..

http://goccf.com/t/258658#2181120
http://goccf.com/t/258658#2181839
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The rule was that the design could not be changed for twenty-five years, which meant that pretty much all of the then-current circulating US coin designs could have been dumped.

Actually NONE of the coin designs could be dumped without Congressional action. The closest one would have been the cent which would be eligible in 1934, two years too late. The nickel was only 17 years, the dime, quarter, and half were only 14 years. The dollar was only 11 years old. So no matter what coin was chosen it would require legislation to change it.


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The SLQ looked good: not only were quarters not circulating widely by 1930, the series had been run through with problems since it launched, from the exposed breast controversy (chainmail-gate?) to striking issues to the date wear problem.


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partly due to the whole exposed-breast controversy, which had church leaders calling for boycotts and threatening to file obscenity charges against members of Congress and/or have them recalled by elections.

Quarters were widely circulating at the time (In fact that was one of the reason the quarter WAS chosen.) There never was a bare breast controversy over the initial design. (In fact the addition of the chain mail was against the instructions from the mint.) There has never been any contemporary evidence presented that there was any published objection to the bare breast design, and no documents in the national archives on the subject. The bare breast controversy is a numismatic myth. And even with the changes to the date area the coins still had wear problems around the date.

Yes the coin was originally to have been a half dollar, but with the Depression in full swing, and with the desire that this coin honoring Washington to be available to all, the choice of the quarter rather than the half dollar would allow it to get into more hands than a half dollar would. Yes, there may have been some disillusionment with the half dollar because of the problems with the commemorative programs, but this was to be a circulating coin, and most of the abuses of the commemorative half programs were still several years in the future.
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Great background info. Thanks Adam, Conder and others.
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I have enjoyed learning more about these coins.

Thank you all for the contributions!
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I'll have to find sources tonight, but I remember a presentation (back in the slide era!) given awhile back which had clippings from a Philadelphia newspaper, editorializing on the issue.

Thanks for correcting the other mistakes in my original post, I'm working off 20-30 years of retained "memory", much of which is probably damaged ;)

I should mention that what I meant when I said "not circulating widely" was that the Mint was not anticipating the need to strike a large amount of quarters heading into 1931. There was still a more than adequate mintage of 1930-dated quarters, which were not in demand from banks, as there were already enough quarters in circulation to meet the demands of businesses and the public. In other words, it wasn't likely that there was going to be an immediate need to increase the mintages. Fortunately, the high mintage and low demand resulted in lots of really nice higher grade 1930-dated SLQ's to collect!
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You know for some classic coins the Mint did not even mint coins for some of the Depression years. There are gaps in mintage in quite a few coins during great depression.
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The truth of why such coins are dropped from mintage is the Mint just doesn't want people keeping all that change from circulating. So as soon as they find a design that people like, they change it to something people don't like. Proof is look at all the present coins now being produced.
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