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I am attempting to salvage an old acquired collection that had be improperly stored for a long time. What would your approach be if you found this? I'm interested also in stopping any PVC damage process before reholdering them.

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what are they? (sorry I cannot tell from the pictures). Any writing on the 2X2?
Also, how many do you have? do they all look like this one?

The damage may not be from PVC (which usually creates greenish residues on the surface of the coins), but simply from excessive humidity or other inadequate storage conditions. Where were they stored and for how long?

Pictures of other coins from your collection would certainly help.


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Open. Rinse with distilled water. Bath in acetone. Examine. Photograph. share results.
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Part of the frustration is not not being able to identify them. This is just the first example I picked out - some of them are labeled and some not (this one unlabeled). I would guess from others I've opened that is a British Penny, possibly Australian. Many have a white residue like this one that mostly stays on the plastic when I open it and some have the green residue you mentioned that stays mostly on the coin when opened.
These have all been stored in sheds/garages/attics in North Texas since probably the late 90s. They are all from my wife's late grandfather who collected and sold coins for probably the last 40 or 50 years of his life.
I read about PVC residue remaining on the coin and continuing to damage it even after reholdering and I want to avoids that. It seems that acetone may be the best option.
I should add that these are mostly foreign coins with some Lincoln Memorial cents mixed in.
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That actually looks like either mold or salt to me
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I'll try the rinsing and acetone bath on that coin tomorrow and upload pics and try to give you a better idea of how many coins are in this condition. Thank you for your replies!
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It looks like there is some white material on the inside of the 2x2, so to prevent further damage I would suggest removing the coins before anything else.
As for the identity of this coin, I agree that it is probably a penny- George V or VI, based on the [GEOR]GIV[S] at about 3 o'clock in the first picture. In that case, the coin would be rotated about 75 degrees counterclockwise.
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That appears to be mold, not PVC damage. The 2x2 white flips did not usually have PVC for a film material owing to its relative thickness.

The general appearance of the staples, the paper, and the inside of the holder are, to me, consistent with mold and humidity damage from storage inside a high-heat, high-humidity environment, possibly in the presence of fertilizers, whose dust is highly hygroscopic (attracts moisture.) I have also seen this with flood damage.

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The humidity varies, but you're right about the heat and chemicals. These have been stored in an attic that I once measured at over 130°F in summer and a garage chock full of fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, automotive fluids and misc. items like pool pH balancers creating a whirlwind of harmful vapors and dust.
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I think it is mold. Take it out (while holding your nose) Rinse it with water. Don't rub it. Just let the water run on it. Then bathe it in acetone
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, With Dustin and also if the coins are copper ,give them an application of Verdi-care after the Acetone .
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Shows evidence of humidity damage from fluctuating temperatures in the storage area. Humidity rises and fales ans so does temperature. As the temperature falls the water condenses out of the air. (Notice the staples are rusting.) The 2X2's are not airtight and the water and any chemicals dissolved in the water gets deposited on the coins. The the plastic tends to hold the water and chemical inside with the coin. Perfect environment for chemical corrosion to occur. This is why attics, basements and garages are NOT good places to store coins. Coins should be kept in relatively cool low humidity areas preferably ones that are temperature controled or at least do not have wide swings in temperature.
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Ok, I took the coin out and applied the distilled water rinse and acetone bath. The first pictures are directly out of the holder and the last two are after the treatment. Interestingly, the whitish residue was on the outside of the plastic, not between it and the coin. So just removing it made it obviously identifiable.

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Here's about 2/3 of the collection. Most of the paper baggies have wheat cents in them including cracked skulls, clipped planchets, unrolled edges, etc. The tube is Steel cents. The last pics are some of the worst with rust, green and white residue.

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Looks like the Aussie came out clean!Do the same thing you did with the aussie with the other coins and show us the results!
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I am feeling optimistic. Let us know how the rest come out.
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