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Really pretty (to me) toning on this 1818 O-108 (R1) Capped Bust half dollar. The tops of the 8's are open/broken and there is die clash. Only real issue is a small scratch on the reverse underneath the left wing. This coin is in an NGC holder with the Green/Newman pedigree. First set of photos (with background color change) are from the original sale; second are seller's photos. How do you think it was graded by NGC?      Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Obverse XF40
Reverse VF30
Net VF35
Obverse is much better than reverse.
Four out of six eagle's talons are flat.
Feathers in the top arrow, the most prominent one, are flat.
Eagle's left wing feathers show weakness.
Off center strike with overall weakness on the left side.
Scratches
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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My grade obverse is XF-45 reverse is VF-25 net VF-30. NGC graded it AU-53?
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There looks to be a weak strike in play here. I'll go with VF-35. Nice clash.
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....Green/Newman pedigree That pedigree seems to worth about 10 points on most circulated examples I've seen. I will call it VF30 and then guess NGC put it in an XF40 holder. |
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No less than VF-35. Could be EF-45. This one is tough.
Are the second two pictures accurate to color?
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I'd say VF-35, possibly XF-40 with some strike weakness. Very attractive toning.
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Second set looks pretty accurate, they match Heritage's pictures of the slab. Heritage's "close up" pictures always look artificially bright to me.
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Interesting that Newman had graded this piece at Fine. Standards were likely different back then. Did you acquire the envelope with the coin? On the lower right hand side of the envelope you can see the outline of where the coin resided. Likely acquired its toning from the chemicals in the envelope. Would be way cool if it had conveyed to you at the sale.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/05/2016 12:47 am
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The seller from whom I purchased the coin may not be the original purchaser. If the envelope comes with the coin, that will be a nice bonus.
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You should contact the seller and try to track the envelope down through the chain of custody. These two items shouldn't be separated. The envelope likely housed the coin for a while.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I think the coin might be an EF-45 because I believe there is luster in the protected areas around the letters and stars. If that perception is wrong, then it's a Choice VF-30 or 35.
The coin was bluntly struck which makes it look to be in lower grade that it appears. This is especially true on the reverse.
The "Fine" grade on the old envelope is from days gone by. I have not seen grading that conservative since the mid 1970s when I was buying coins from Catherine Bullowa.
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