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How Is It Possible For This Morgan To Grade MS-66?

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I would think the scratch across the cheek and running over the nose would drop the grade substantially

https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dol...tion-071515#
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That isn't a scratch, looks to be MS66 to me
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I have no idea what that is. Some parts look like a thin strip of toning, some look like a die crack, and some look like a scratch. Given the color, I will say it is a thin strip of oxidation.
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Don't know what it is? You can contact Heritage and have them give you their opinion. My suggestion-if the coin doesn't appeal to you, don't buy it.
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No matter what it is .It turns me off, even if it's a 66 .
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If you just look at all the other blast white areas. It is a 66 with large eye appeal and few contact marks. Unfortunate for that line of whatever to be there
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It's odd that the line runs unbroken into the lower hair. I wonder if it could be some kind of mark on the slab.
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66 does not mean perfect. With the exception of that color strip this looks more like a 67.

66 is an honest grade.
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I am no fan of it when it's in an MS-66 holder. An MS-66 should be virtually perfect. It should be the type coin where you have to hunt to find a problem. The issues on the cheek are to obvious. The brown streak on the cheek is INTO the coin. The mark in front of the nose can't be missed if you know how to grade. That's not an MS-66 Morgan dollar.
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66 does not mean perfect. With the exception of that color strip this looks more like a 67.

66 is an honest grade.



That strip of toning is most likely the result of being in contact with another Morgan while in storage, Its just toning and not damage.
If it wasn't there a 67 would be a real possibility
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The long strip looks like toning to me, but there are enough other contact marks on the coin to prevent me from grading it MS-66. The neck area shows a lot, even the reverse has several noticeable marks.
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That strip of toning is most likely the result of being in contact with another Morgan while in storage, Its just toning and not damage.
If it wasn't there a 67 would be a real possibility


Please click on the little magnifying glass that is in the upper right hand corner of the initial Heritage picture. That will take you to the larger picture. Then click on the magnifying glass, in the gray box, that on the right side of the lighting control box in that screen. After you have done that, you will see that there is a long ridge of moved metal under the toning streak. That is a long scratch or bag mark. When you have seen that, you will know that this is not an MS-66 grade coin unless you are into grade-flation or the tooth fairy.

The scratch in front of the nose is enough to take it out of MS-67, if the toning streak / bag mark was not there.

I apologize for becoming cynical, but you really need to look at this stuff if you are going to get involved with coins that purported to be in high grades like this. If you don't, you can lose lots of money really fast. That's what the "blind bid" Blue Sheet is all about.

Some people think PCGS walks on water; it doesn't. Neither does the PCGS-CAC combination.

Let's see if this link takes you to the big screen.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dol...tion-071515#

No it doesn't.
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Then click on the magnifying glass, in the gray box, that on the right side of the lighting control box in that screen


Actually all you need to do is double click on the image and it takes you to the zoom in feature.
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IMO, it is not a "commercial MS-66." What you are seeing is a planchet flaw across the cheek that has toned in part. However, IMO, the coin may JUST MAKE a "technical MS-66." The label should have read:
MS-66, Planchet Flaw.
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That long streak has the same degree of curvature as the rim of another Morgan. I call toning from contact -- I don't see any moved metal (which would be more obvious in the hair, where the streak extends about 2/3 through).
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It is an edge toning mark, where another coin in the bag rested on top of this one and some of the edge toning from the coin above left a mark on the lower coin's surface. The hairline is undisturbed, and relative to the cheek, it would show clear signs of disruption at the point where a scratch or gouge entered the hairline, and it does not do so.

That being said, this coin is not a MS-66 by PCGS's own MS66 standard. There are far too many contact marks on the neck and above the ear, even though the fields are clean. In addition, the strike quality is average to below average at best. My personal grade would be MS65, carried on the strength of the fields. It's a common date, and 65 vs. 66 is mostly academic.

As a bit of trivia, it's a VAM 3. :P
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