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A very unusual BIE.  |
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Certainly has a tiny Cud. |
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Not a BIE error. BIE errors exist between the B and the E of LIBERTY and they look a little like an I. More information here: http://goccf.com/t/255199There is something there near the rim and I think I see something on the reverse at 9 o'clock -- but it pretty worn down so I can't tell for sure.  John1 or coop will know for sure. |
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I have adopted the Cuds-on-Coins idea that using BIE to denote all the various die breaks on LIBERTY is the best way to talk about them so there is a single term for the whole lot of them. " Lincoln Cent Die Breaks Called "BIE" The numbering system that we are using for this anomaly type is designed to bring a person to the correct page for identifying the anomaly that he or she is searching for. We have adopted part of Alan Herbert's PDS system in using the nomenclature II-F-1 through 8 to identify the various die breaks that have occurred in the word LIBERTY." And many BIE die breaks look very little like an "I", that is what some of them look like and where the name comes from, but they come in a lot of forms. LDB4-1955S-011 is an example:  |
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I would call that a die chip, but it is probably a Cud near the rim area. It fits the description a breaking away from the die. It just isn't taller the an the rim though. So BJ should be called in on this one. There isn't a Cud listed for 1953 yet. |
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This would be interesting, possibly a RIM I L BIE? A new category? Not a Cud yet becuase it hasn't taken the rim. I want to see BJ and Jc's opinion |
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tropicalbats-there are some bie's listed where the break is between the rim and the L; coc has some listed for 1962, 1995 and 2011 but as you found none for 1953D. Cohans book has some listed for 1953 (53-BA503, BA-505, 506, 507, each of those have additional breaks) but not 1953D. Coop may be right-die chip. JC will need to look at this one.
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Cuds-on-Coins idea that using BIE to denote all the various die breaks on LIBERTY I think that is a very unfortunate decision on their part. It would be accurate to refer to BIE's as a LIBERTY die break but doesn't work the other way around. I feel fairly certain that anyone looking for information about a die break should be able to find it by looking up 'LIBERTY die break' but only COC followers will know their short-cut terminology. There is so much for newbies to learn that I just think it's a shame that the terminology is misleading. I'm sure they have their reasons but it seems rather like calling all Lincoln cents Wheaties because a bunch of them are Wheaties. |
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A quote that can be found on the internet at least as far back as 2007: "BIE Die Break This is a sub-category of the die break affecting the letters of LIBERTY on the Lincoln Cent. Technically, only a die break between BE of LIBERTY qualifies as a BIE. Generically speaking, however, a die break between any of the letters of LIBERTY qualifies. " Bold highlight is mine. Just as a bald eagle is not, in fact, bald, a BIE die break does not seem to need to be between the B and the E under accepted usage, and the location of the possible die break on my coin does not exclude it from being a BIE. Of course, it may not qualify for other reasons, but such is why I posted it here. |
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Just my opinion but it kind of looks like the rim took a hit there. May just be excess metal pushed off the rim.
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Just got a message from BJ on your coin: Quote:Hi Rich, It is interesting and I would have to see it in hand before making any determination. From the looks of it, it appears to be pushed metal from the rim. If that is not the case, then it is a Cud that would fit into the BIE category. So it sound like he would have to see if to see what is going on. |
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a die break between any of the letters of LIBERTY qualifies. " This excludes die breaks before and after LIBERTY -- except on COC where the word 'between' means 'anywhere near'. The site says 'between' the letters and the arrows point to all those spaces plus the space before and after LIBERTY. It is easy enough to find the LIBERTY die cracks on COC if you know to call them BIE errors. It's no big deal. Every area of study has its own vocabulary quirks. I was just thinking back to a few years ago when I started to look up stuff I found in my little collection. If I had a coin like the one you posted I would never have thought of looking up BIE error. I would have entered something more like 'glob near LIBERTY on cent'. I just tried that and looked through the first three pages of sites -- no COC, and COC is where I would want to be. If I had known to call it a die crack, I would get to COC by page two of my search. So eventually, I suppose, I would get there. |
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A chip touching any part of any letter in LIBERTY classifies the coin as a BIE. There are sub classifications of Bies. http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-bies/ As BJ said, the only question on this coin pertains to the possibility it may be a Cud as well. |
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But neither if the metal was pushed from the rim. That is why he would like a hands on with this coin.
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