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How Far Back Can We Go? Fourth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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1587 Leicester daalder type 1 Ghelders, Dutch Republic


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Here is a pfennig from the German Free City of Regensburg that is dated (15)87 AD.

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Netherlands 1587 Arendrijksdaalder for the 3 cities of Daventer, Campen, and Zwolle.

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1586 -- Hungary, 1 denar:

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From 1586, here is another 1 denár piece from Hungary:

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Here is a uniface Zweier (i.e. double pfennig) from the Austrian State of Salzburg. It is dated (15)86 and is attributed as Probst 653.


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1585 -- Hungary, 1 denar:

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And another


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Lots of great Hungarian Denars for the past few days!

Here is a 1/2 Batzen from the German Countship of Pfalz-Zweibrüken dated (15)85 AD.


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1584 -- Hungary, 1 denar:


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Here is a Pfennig from the German Free City of Regensburg dated (15)84 AD. I find this coin interesting in that the denomination (1/84 Thaler) and date (1584) are portrayed in exactly the same way. In addition to being in Krause, I have it attributed as Saurma 1076.


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1583 -- England, 6 pence:

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1583, Netherlands (17 united provinces)
François de France, duke of Anjou and Alençon
Sovereign of the Low Countries 1581-1584
half daalder - Antwerp, province of Brabant
Delm 226a R2


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Four years earlier, when Anjou was 23 and queen Elisabeth of England 45, the two were considering a marriage.

Anjou was the last contender for Elizabeth's hand

here is part of a letter written in 1579 by Elisabeth to Anjou (in French)

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source website: National Archives UK

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...-of-alencon/
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Very interesting @1c5d7n5m. From the same website, here is their translation from the original French:


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If the urgent request of this bearer did not constrain me, I should not have annoyed your eyes with another letter so soon after my last, although my courage was doubled by the good acceptance which the others had; whereby you put me under obligation, as on other occasions of more consequence. Of which your return to France in consequence of your wish to come to me has not been the least. It was not a thing I should have wished, fearing how it might end; but my desire would be quite other if I am to understand by it that you have set aside most of the advice in order to follow the desire which proceeds from yourself. I assure you I am much displeased that that ungrateful multitude, a true mob, should so misuse such a Prince; and I think that God, if not men, will be revenged on them for it, and am glad that you have safely escaped their iniquitous hands. Nor do I doubt that having passed Scylla you will beware of entering Charybdis, as I beg M. Simier [Anjou's envoy] to set out to you at more length, as also in respect of the advice which you have asked of me; protesting that though I recognise by lack of wit to instruct you, you may accept it as from one who will never have a thought not dedicated to your honour and will never betray you by her advice, but will give it as if my soul depended thereon.


For my coin from 1583 AD, here is a Groschen from the German Duchy of Julich-Kleve-Berg. It is attributed as Saurma 3011.


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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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