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Wondering what you guys' thoughts were on a grade for this. Would it be worth it to get it graded. It looks to me to be at least high AU in hand with more luster than the pictures show. Thanks!   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Bedrock of the Community
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This seems that it could be very valuable dependant upon grade. Thoughts?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Also, is it genuine? I think so but I'm not an expert. Its holder was mislabeled as a 5 cent piece and CuNi.
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Crickets...  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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minimum EF if genuine, and possibly cleaned but I'm not sure.
Feel free to call me Will.
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I don't want to create a new topic for the same coin so I took some clearer pics that may help. The questions are the same: Genuine? Grade? Cleaned? Worth grading? Thanks!   In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Be cautious Spruett, MANY FAKES! Probably not worth getting TPG, I have one in better shape not sure if real, get the weight!... I don't have a scale  Also, rim and denticle's don't look right...? Too much Knicks for high grade. Edited by Crazyb0
02/21/2017 12:39 am
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Thanks Crazyb0. I'm sure I checked the weight before but can't remember. (Have to double check)
There is an odd looking area on the southern obverse rim but that's from software removing shadow. (shouldn't have done that)
I know that like the Fatman Dollar, this is counterfeited. That's why I want opinions because the difference in value between a fake and an original is extreme.
The better pics show more scratches, knicks, etc., but still something that is at least EF.
I wouldn't be so concerned if I got this from the Bay a couple months ago. It is from my wife's grandfather's collection. He was most likely actively collecting from the early '50s to the late '70s.
I don't know the general timeline and quality of counterfeits during that time.
I said before that it was mislabeled as a 5 cent piece and CuNi, not silver. That leads me to think that he didn't purchase this for what it may be (or a fake). Or, maybe the dealer mislabeled it and he picked it out knowing the potential?
That's why I am presenting it. There are so many questions!
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02/21/2017 04:42 am
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@spruett001, if you are looking for more opinions on real vs. fake, then I would request to the mods that this thread be moved to the main World Coin area of CCF. I don't think that the grading sub-group gets as much traffic.
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Thanks Spence, I did consider creating a new topic in the main World forum but never thought about getting it moved.
And I agree, there seems to be a lack of traffic in this area looking at other topics.
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Thank you Fuzzy!
More info: it weighs 2.7g which is what Krause has listed and measures approx. 18.5mm in diameter.
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Bump! I am trying to sell off most of my world coins at the moment (here on CCF  ) so I'm revisiting this coin. I was searching ebay earlier and see a wide range of prices for this coin whether graded or not. Some raw examples went for over $100 and one for nearly $200. I did spot one that immediately screamed Fake! so I decided to make a side-by-side of that one and mine. Here's the listing (sold for $40): 201920622569Comparison pics ( ebay coin on right):   Unless mine is just a much better executed fake, this gives me a lot more confidence. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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@spruett001, I would say your coin is fake.
The coin you used for comparison is genuine. You can compare the Chinese characters between the two coins, they are completely different. The weight of 2.7 gram is a bit high. For a one dollar coin of this type, the standard weight is a bit below 27.0 grams, the weight of the corresponding 10 cent coin should have a weight 2.6x grams.
I would also guess the edge of the coin does not show any consistency as it should be.
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Thanks for the input wonghinghi. I will have to respectfully disagree. I cannot read Chinese but, I am not seeing how the characters are completely different. The weight of 2.7g is exactly what Krause and others list that it should be. The 18.5mm diameter is also spot-on. The edge reeding looks very consistent and professional as well as the denticles when making a comparison to the "fake" above. Here is a comparison of my coin and an NGC certified example that sold on ebay. I have to say that mine and the certified example here look much more alike than the one posted above that I called fake. Certified example on the right:   In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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