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Didn't Win, But Wanted To Share: Fascinating Claudius II Error

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Funds are tight and I need to keep focused on my project. Almost went all-out to win this one, though:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/152409019543

It looks as though the portrait was becoming worn out and the die cutter tried to refresh it with a new portrait impression... but missed horribly!
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 Posted 01/31/2017  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some type of die or strike error. Interesting coin.
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Looks like a piece of the die from his head cracked off and ended up at his side burn area during the strike. If that is the case, it may explain why the rest of the devices and legends are so weak and garbled

If you flip the side burn hair area up it looks like it would fit right into his bald spot

Very interesting coin
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I can understand why that coin would pick your interest.

Giant die chip?
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I like multiple strike coins.

On a first look I don't think the obverse die fragmented. The differences in the engraving of the chin, one of which is bearded and the other clean shaven, and the parallel sets of inscription (but rotated about 30degrees), suggest this is an overstrike that did not completely eliminate the original strike. Not sure the original strike was for the same emperor, but suspect it was not. It would be nice to compare the texts of those inscriptions.

The beardless figure is radiate, and I think that was the later strike. The original figure appears to have been laureate, judging by the residual wreath ties that often appear at the back. The radiate crown has fragmented the image of the original head, but that strike is incomplete. The reverse might give a clue about that.

Is there a pic of the reverse too?
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"Is there a pic of the reverse too?"

Finn had a link in his post, I have uploaded it.

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"The beardless figure is radiate"

"The original figure appears to have been laureate, judging by the residual wreath ties that often appear at the back"

I think that there is a beard, it is just weakly struck so not well defined; but you can see the outline.

Radiate crowns have ties.
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Now that I have had a chance to look more carefully at the coin image, I agree with Victor that the bearded and what I have called the beardless effigy are views of the same figure rotated 35 degrees. The coin is a rotated double strike of the same obverse, but I still maintain that the later strike is the one I had called beardless. The prominent crown, with a pair of wreath ties, and the hair under the crown belong to the later strike, but the forepart of the face is lacking surface detail. Nevertheless, the strike showing beard is almost completely reshaped by the other strike except for the eye, nose and beard, part of the neck, and three dots behind.

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I'm still working on the reverse.
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I think it would be fair to say that the beard of the original strike was wiped out during the second strike by the die's field, which is the raised portion of a die.

Similar effects can be seen on modern double-struck coinage.
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Really interesting piece. I can see why you were thinking of pursuing it.
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