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It's Time To Kill The Penny: Fmr US Mint Director

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Drop the cent and everyone will just turn on the "round to the .05" setting that is already programmed into their cash register.

If you don't and you try to always round up manually,you are going to find yourself having to explain to nearly every customer why you are charging them MORE than what the cash register shows. It will cause delays (angry customers), you will be telling them you are deliberately overcharging them (ANGRY customers), and your competitor down the street who lets the machine round will be faster and in the long run his customers bills will be lower. Which store would you shop at? (loss of customers)
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Why keep making the cent for collector sets?

I don't understand why we keep making Kennedy halves, either.

By the logic that collectors want them, then why not start including 3¢ pieces, 20¢ pieces, Large cents, Half Cents, 2¢ pieces, etc.?
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I think a better option for the penny would be to do what the Mint has done to half dollars, which is minting not for circulation issues so we would still have pennies in our proof sets, uncirculated sets, and available to purchase by the general public.
This is always implied when I say kill the cent. I would love to see them stay NIFC.


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And also- if sales tax equaled $2.63 on a transaction how will that work? I am sure that the city/county/state would not accept $2.60...but they might accept $2.65.
Sales tax is already rounded. Do not confuse cents with percents. Also, Charleston has an 8.5% sales tax and it works out just fine with out a Half Cent in the mix.
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Drop the cent and everyone will just turn on the "round to the .05" setting that is already programmed into their cash register.

If you don't and you try to always round up manually,you are going to find yourself having to explain to nearly every customer why you are charging them MORE than what the cash register shows. It will cause delays (angry customers), you will be telling them you are deliberately overcharging them (ANGRY customers), and your competitor down the street who lets the machine round will be faster and in the long run his customers bills will be lower. Which store would you shop at? (loss of customers)




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Why keep making the cent for collector sets?
Because people will buy them. That is why. Never stop making a profitable product people are willing to buy.
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You know, fellow CCF members, you must realize that it doesn't matter what a former mint director or the whole lot of us think. It is in the hands of the US government, and it does not seem that they are pushing anywhere in that direction.
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Trump may "change" that! Who knows?
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In Canada and the Netherlands, they've dropped the 1c for years. Everybody rounds and nobody cares. Let Hollywood continue to make movies about people accumulating millions in rounding errors. Nobody still cares.
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Imagine all the companies with their signs that say 2 for .99, 1.99 each, etc. Almost every catalog I get in the mail has the prices at 2.99, 3.99, etc. Wow, what a lot of changes that will make if the Penny is gone.
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All the money the gov't wastes I think the cent is not going to solve the national debt. If they can pay 1 time Senators and congressmen Life time retirement checks they can certainly keep the cent for collectors and especially young coin collectors!
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Sales tax is already rounded. Do not confuse cents with percents. Also, Charleston has an 8.5% sales tax and it works out just fine with out a Half Cent in the mix.


Maybe I am confused, but I don't think I am confusing cents with percent. But if you have a $93.65 item and your sales tax is 9%...that is $8.43 in sales tax. If there are no longer cents denominations in which to cover the cost, you have to be rounded either $8.40 or $8.45.
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But payments made digitally (e.g. credit card) wouldn't be rounded. It's only tangible cash payments that would be because there would be no cent coins.

Business owners would most likely pay their tax to the state digitally, by direct transfer or by check. None of those would be rounded. Even if they were to pay with cash, I'd expect that they would total the tax amounts for all of their transactions and round that.
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...they can certainly keep the cent for collectors and especially young coin collectors!


They can still collect nickels, dimes and quarters. Did coin collecting wither in countries like Canada where they eliminated the cent?



Canada eliminated the 1¢ coin based on "The estimated savings for taxpayers from phasing out the penny is $11 million a year."
http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about....WKOjU28rLtQ

According to a Forbes article, it costs the US Government $45 million to make 9 billion cents each year ($135 million less the $90 million face value).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...600a60226940



Question to Canadian forum members. When you go to a restaurant, for example, does the bill come with a cash price and a credit price?
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Imagine all the companies with their signs that say 2 for .99, 1.99 each, etc. Almost every catalog I get in the mail has the prices at 2.99, 3.99, etc. Wow, what a lot of changes that will make if the Penny is gone.
You are way off. Every Walmart price ends in 8 and K-mart (remember them?) ends in 7.
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Maybe I am confused, but I don't think I am confusing cents with percent. But if you have a $93.65 item and your sales tax is 9%...that is $8.43 in sales tax. If there are no longer cents denominations in which to cover the cost, you have to be rounded either $8.40 or $8.45.
It is not that complicated.

1 and 2 would round down to 0.
3 and 4 would round up to 5.
6 and 7 would round down to 5.
8 and 9 would round up to 10.

My point about cents and percents was that we already have to round to a nearest cent for sales tax. I buy some products and the total is $168.80. The sales tax is 6% in my county. The total becomes $178.928 which gets rounded to $178.93. I am showing you that the "How will we do sales tax without the cent?" question is just as uniformed as the "How do we do it without a coin worth a tenth of a cent?" question.
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I get what you are saying on the rounding of less than 1%.

I get that anything 1 and 2 would round down and 3 and 4 would round up. It is simple, agreed.

I understand how it would work.

The only thing I am saying is that I believe over time there would be upward pressure on the rounding for convenience sake. I've seen Lombra's studies (paraphrased) and I've seen summaries of arguments against his studies. I think that most Americans would be suspicious of the move still as likely being regressive those that tend to pay cash for most transactions.
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