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I might be mistaken or confused but the dates on Morgan dollars, are they stamped with the minting press or by hand? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The date ... and mint mark are hand punched onto the die
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No question is dumb!
Gr58 is right.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Good question, actually. Keep em coming!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's actually a good question. Don't worry about it: we are happy to help you learn!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The date ... and mint mark are hand punched onto the die And then put onto the coin by the minting press. (The way his questionwas worded seemed to be asking how the date was placed on the coin.) Edited by Conder101
02/15/2017 12:52 pm
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 Condor101, there is a big difference. But to Testlacoil, this process of placing onto the working dies dates/mm's is what causes such rich variants, doubling of numbers/mint marks, over dates. Its an amazing science, yea, I know what a Tesla coil is, nice handle! |
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United States
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One more thing ... All of the dies were made at the Philadelphia Mint and shipped to the branch mints. Today the Denver Mint has die making capabilities.
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 United States
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The fact that the dates were individually engraved into each die turns out to be a key factor in proving certain coins are counterfeit. A few dates of Morgan dollars were made in such low numbers that one and only one obverse die was used. This means that the date on a genuine coin would have to be in the exact same position of every coin of that date. 1893-S, 1894-P and 1895-P come quickly to mind in that regard. Some dates used only two or three obverse dies. Most other dates used so many dies that it is not a practical Counterfeit Detection method. |
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United States
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Yes, they were hand punched.
1878-1883 the first 2 digits were added to the master die, then they added the last 2 digits to the working dies.
1884-1904 all 4 digits were added to the working dies.
1921 all 4 digits were added to the master die.
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Hey, I have been collecting Morgans for some time and I did not know that fact. I have been so caught up in trying to get key dates in decent condition I just look at the coin in the slab and wonder why am I spending so much money for a coin worth about $15 dollars worth of silver. There are just no dumb questions about our USA coins. Each coin has a unique history.
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Yes, they were hand punched.
1878-1883 the first 2 digits were added to the master die, then they added the last 2 digits to the working dies.
1884-1904 all 4 digits were added to the working dies. Are you sure on that? On the other denominations they went from individually punched digits to four digit logotypes in 1840. |
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I also wonder about au99o information. When I do look up Morgan's on the VAM world site, one of the points they use to look for is the date position. They have many same dates with different positions. Near date, far date and normal date. I am thinking that doesn't make since if the date or portions of the date we're on the master die. ...or is it master hub? |
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The date was not on the master die as it is for modern coins. The digits were added all together by a logotype. The digits were a consist size and spacing (unlike some early coins), but the exact position of the date could vary as could the placement and sometimes the size of the Mint mark.
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GR58: Sorry, yes I meant master hub, not master die. But that's not entirely true either. I was just trying to simplified it. Below is a statement posted by one of a respectable member of vamworld a long time ago: 1878-1883 Date position is fixed or partially fixed. 1878 -The complete date was in the master die and working dies and position did NOT vary. 1879 -187 was in the hub and did NOT vary. The 9 was punched into the working dies. 1880 - The two right digits were REMOVED from the master hub and and the last two were punched into the working dies.(Creating overdate VAM's.) 1880 -1883 The first two digits were on the working hubs. The last two digits were punched into the the working dies. 1884 -1904 The complete date, all four digits, were punched into all the working dies. (This created variations in lateral, vertical and orientation) 1921 The complete date was in the master die so there was no date position variation but there is slight doubling on top of both 1's for all dies. Lot's of fun in VAMming :) |
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