Mechanically Altered 1893-S Morgan Dollar?

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nss-52 Moderator United States 54282 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 4:46 pm 232242991616 Does this look altered? The hair does not seem right to me. This is an 1893-S where only one obverse die was ever used. The seller makes no mention of any alterations, and in fact states "this coin ... has been nearly perfectly preserved." Click on photo for larger view... Edited by nss-52 02/18/2017 4:48 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 4:57 pm I am not sure why anyone would alter the hairline on a 93s. The coin has been polished. This would be one that the die markers would need to be checked to confirm whether the coin is genuine. Report this Post to the Staff
Crazyb0 Rest in Peace 10197 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 5:05 pm You pointed out a few, I'm looking at the large " upwave" to left of Y, slight down. Above this wave the second on original is curved, ?coin is straighter. There are other fine points of question, so I don't think its altered, too many differences to do that is either another die or fake coin. Know you've probably checked weight, right? Drop test too?. Big ? For me! Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 5:10 pm Personally, I wouldn't buy this coin raw. Report this Post to the Staff
spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 5:35 pm Listing not found. I guess it did have some problems. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Report this Post to the Staff
nss-52 Moderator United States 54282 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 7:05 pm It got removed by ebay. I know it had bids. For the record, here are photos of the whole coin. Report this Post to the Staff
nss-52 Moderator United States 54282 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 7:07 pm The seller was estate-coin. Quote: ...too many differences to do that is either another die or fake coin. Know you've probably checked weight, right? Drop test too?. Big ? For me! There was one and only one die used to strike all the 1893-S Morgan dollars. This was an ebay listing, so no weighing or dropping was possible. Edited by nss-52 02/18/2017 7:17 pm Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 10:53 pm The overall appearance suggests plating or extensive polishing. The distinctive die gouges present in R and T of LIBERTY on a genuine 1893-S are notably absent in your first picture, as is the die gouge between the lower wheat leaf and upper cotton leaf. The coin was right to be removed. The appearance of the cheek is possibly due to bubbling of plating. Looking at other features such as the cotton bolls, leaves, and eyelid, the suspect 1893-S shows a clear lack of detail. All in all, the coin, taken as a whole, is entirely too questionable to be sold as-is without certification. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 02/18/2017 10:58 pm Many of their coins, upon review, appear to have been cleaned, re-colored, or otherwise doctored, with some particularly egregious offenders like their 1899/1908 IHC and 1920-D Wheat cent. Almost all are extremely overgraded (check out the "XF" 1816 Coronet, "VF" 1808 CBH, or the "Ch. VG" 1873-CC Lib Seated 50C, I want to get sick.) These guys need to be tossed off ebay and into a dark hole to drown in their inventory of cleaned, doctored, overgraded, overpriced garbage. Seller's listing has this gem... "Estate-Coin has been a trusted and reliable ebay coin dealer for years. We have been using ebay since 2000. We continuously maintains a perfect 100% positive feedback rating." ebay says otherwise: "Member since: Oct-13-14 in United States" Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse 02/18/2017 11:06 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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