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oldmike Pillar of the Community Canada 891 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 2:26 pm CM I just read that on Mike Diamonds site ( push doubling) Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMasters Pillar of the Community United States 5964 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 4:39 pm Quote: I'm not sure why you are lumping Machine Doubling and as you say wear on the die in the same basket. Hey Stoneman. I just started out trying to define various "doublings" so they could be discerned in regards to identifying DD's. I lumped them together because die wear and Strike Doubling fall under the category of MD. I searched everything before I made this post. I'm a little wary now though, because I'm finding out much of it varies with the experts. Quote: You have made some good points in regards to the movement of the machine parts and or the planchet at the time of the strike which can create a coin like no other. Thank you for that Stoneman, coming from a man with your knowledge it means a lot to me and it's also good that we agree on it. Some of the "like no other coins" made in that fashion are very nice. Quote: This coin like no other is one of the points that separates Die Deterioration, or as you say , wear on the die from Machine Doubling. As a die deteriorates it developes characteristics that that will be repeated in every coin struck till the die progressively changes enough to notice a difference in the coins. The difference MDing will be different coin to coin Die Deterioration doudling will be the same on many coins I agree with all of this, except I think Die Deterioration is a form of MD. Thanks for the input. Gotcha Oldmike. I have found now that some of the pros subscribe to that and others to slide doubling. All of them can change their minds too. lol I reckon none of it has been proven, that would be too easy. Thanks for the input. I guess all and all we know what we know, and that's good enough to know what we like. Here's a couple nice one's of the variety referenced in Stoneman's reply. Edited by CoinMasters 03/16/2017 6:32 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7512 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 6:42 pm I think we are all in agreement on the difference between the Die Deterioration and Strike Doubling ,here are some examples including a DIE WEAR doubling on 1943 Walker. Edited by Chase007 03/16/2017 6:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMasters Pillar of the Community United States 5964 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 6:50 pm Awesome coins! I like em. Defintely keepers. Thanks for sharing. Report this Post to the Staff
11997755 Pillar of the Community United States 2253 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 6:58 pm Quote: Did you know Ken Potter is a CCF member? No I didn't...Do now. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 7:02 pm Push doubling, Slide doubling are the same Machine damage after the strike. But are identified more from the extra distortion of the die movement after the strike for each event. (shown on his site) http://www.error-ref.com/slide-doubling/ Added On the image above for the Kennedy motto. That looks like a doubled die. What year was that? I bet it is listed? Edited by coop 03/16/2017 7:04 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7512 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 7:22 pm Thanks coinmasters. Coop, Both Motto pics. are from 1971-D ( Two different coins) Edited by Chase007 03/16/2017 7:26 pm Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMasters Pillar of the Community United States 5964 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 7:24 pm It's already fooled us Coop. I sent Mr. Wexler the images and he said because of the surrounding MD, it made that area look more like DD. Woops my bad. You were talking about the other Kennedy. Edited by CoinMasters 03/16/2017 7:28 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7512 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 7:28 pm Coinmasters,I thought it was a DD too ! Edited by Chase007 03/16/2017 7:29 pm Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMasters Pillar of the Community United States 5964 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 7:30 pm I agree. I need to call Mr. Wexler and ask him if he's sure. lol I had one brief email with him, and he impressed me as being one of the most squared away people I have ever known. I'm a much better judge of character than coins! Hahaha Edited by CoinMasters 03/16/2017 7:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 8:30 pm I agree that your coin is not a DDO. It is the image that is posted on the 7th image down. That looks like a DDO. that is the one I'm talking about, (The motto image) Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMasters Pillar of the Community United States 5964 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 8:38 pm Quote: Woops my bad. You were talking about the other Kennedy. You do remember my coin though right? Report this Post to the Staff
stoneman227 Pillar of the Community United States 2376 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 8:52 pm CM , I've found a little disagreement has been good for me. Of course the only exception to that would be if my wife was involved ! Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMasters Pillar of the Community United States 5964 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 9:15 pm I fully understand, Stoneman, At my house the little woman is the expert and her opinions are final. Thanks my friend, I enjoyed it. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7512 Posts	Posted 03/16/2017 11:51 pm COOP, you are absolutely correct, the seventh image down is a motto image of 1963 Washington Qrtr., FS-101 DDO-001 Edited by Chase007 03/16/2017 11:54 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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