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1883/2 "Racketeer Practice" Shield Nickel Needs "De-Racketering"

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I recently picked up an 1883 shield, and I'm pretty sure it's an 83/82. No, I'm not posting picks of this one yet. I will post pics if someone offers a solution to my problem that works. There is a layer of what looks like gold spray paint coating a good bit of this thing, and I think I probably have a "practice nickel" that some flim-flam man used in trying to perfect his golding process for racketeer nickels. Makes sense, because they were mostly used in the west, and since new coinage came from the east, Shield nickels were more plentiful in early 1883 than the V nickels. I had another one of these that just had a thin coating on it, and a 2-day acetone soak followed by a hot-water rinse cleaned it right up. This one is proving to be much more stubborn, though. I have soaked it twice for a week at a time and rinsed it, and the first soak was somewhat successful, but that was all I could get out of the acetone, and the second week's soak didn't loosen any more of it. So, has anyone else cleaned one of these up, or can anyone shed some light on the materials/process these guys used? Thanks!!
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If its plated with actual gold, you would need a gold etchant (aqua regia) to strip the gold off the surface. I'm not sure what that would do to the nickel and copper underneath it though and its quite dangerous to use. If its paint, you could try using a stronger solvent like xylene.
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@BCG, I think that one of our CCF members recently went through this with a LWC. He should be by soon and can give you the details of his de-golding journey, but I'll PM him too.
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Bikercoinguy: The coin you have may be an actual "Racketeer's Nickel. Story behind this is that the V nickel as first issued did not have "CENTS" on it. A fellow (conman) by the name of Josh Tatum. He painted the nickels gold and passed them off on 5 & 10 stores, he'd pick up a 5 ,cent item, give the clerk his nickel hoping to be mistaken for a $5 coin. If he left with $4.95, he did good!

Now, yes I did attempt to remove a gold coating of a cent, to not very good results. I would try first turpentine, if that is an oil base paint, that may take it off. If it is electroplated with "goldtone" like watches etc. then there's not much hope. Next try a furniture stripper, that is stronger than turpentine on old paint. As a last resort, since it is nickel, try a 50%/50% solution of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide. This makes a lite acid that will eat away the surface material, BOTH the gold AND the nickel, Keep checking after an hour, could take up to 4 or more. Darn thing is , if it's a real one, that's worth more than just plain nickel! Don't know how you'd authenticate it tho, many "copys" have been made.

Good luck!
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No, I'm not posting picks of this one yet. I will post pics if someone offers a solution to my problem that works.


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Crazyb0, it's a Shield nickel, but being 1883, I think it was used for practice to get the coating process down. If you think about it, most of those were passed of in the wild west, and supplies of the new V nickel would be trickling in from Philadelphia, and probably in short supply, and the window of opportunity to pass them off would have been short as well. So, with that in mind, if you were a flim-flam man, you would probably frequent saloons catering to stagecoach passengers from the East, and try to pick up the new nickels there. They would have been in short supply during the short time the scam would have worked, so you would want to get it right the first time, and what better to practice on than another nickel?
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BCG: The best part of the story is that's where we got the phrase "You're Joshing me!" from, this guy, Josh Tatum the Conman.

Check this link out:

http://coinsite.com/the-1883-racketeer-nickel/

Ahhh, now I got it, that's just a damaged coin. If it doesn't clean up, its toast. Bet somebody just saw date and spray painted it. Use paint stripper, shouldn't hurt coin.
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I don't think they had spray paint in 1883....
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BCG: like I said, somebody made that one most likely within last 100 years, I see them at auctions all over, sold as a novelty, same reason coins today are coated, painted and electroplated, some poor sucker will buy them.
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Okay, I'm with you now. Some DA just read about 1883 nickels being passed off and didn't bother to note that there were 2 nickels minted in 1883. I guess it could be that. Whatever is on this one is tougher than the last one though. I'll try some xylene or toluene and see if I have better luck. Thanks to everyone for all the input, and keep 'em coming!
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Ok so pics now?
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I'm not posting any suggested solutions unless I see pictures.

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BCG: The best part of the story is that's where we got the phrase "You're Joshing me!" from, this guy, Josh Tatum the Conman.

Josh Tatum never existed (At least the one referred to in the "story") and the term "Josh" meaning to trick of foll dates back to the 1840's long before the Racketeer nickel ever saw the light of day. The Josh Tatums story doesn't even date to before the 1950's. There are contemporary reports about the gold plated nickels, but just as warning to watch out for them. The Tatum story is pure fiction.
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I'm not posting any suggested solutions unless I see pictures.
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I was a painter for 30 years, and if xylene doesn't do it, nothing will.
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Biker - Show us some pics or I'm going to shoot your dog.
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