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If There Are Fewer New Collectors, What Happens To Common/Lower-End Coins?

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Overheard two seasoned collectors and a coin dealer talking about this subject at a local coin show last weekend. The consensus was that low end coins would be hardest hit as old time collectors dump their hoards on the market there will be too much stuff and not enough buyers. Stuff like low grade, common date V-nickels, Indian Head cents, Buffalo nickels, and Wheat cents might not be worth much more than face and could be dumped back into circulation. The coin dealer who has a successful brick & mortar store and is a regular at a lot of shows said that he would need a backhoe to clean out his storefront and home of all the "junk" they have accumulated over the years in the series mentioned above, he considers it dead stock that he doesn't even attempt to market.

Every year more "stuff" enters the coin market, but with fewer collectors where does it all end up?

Your thoughts?

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If people start dumpin' Indians into circulation, I'm grabbing all of them!
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I suspect wholesale dumping of V-Nickels and IHC would certainly help revitalize an interest in the hobby and bring in new collectors! Given the prices on ebay, the demand for "low-end" coins still seems strong.
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The silver coins could always be sold as "scrap" or "junk" silver. There is a whole market for that.
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I think the value at local coin shops may be low but there's always a market online. I don't see 100+ year old coins being dumped back in circulation. Even if they drop to 3-5x face, it still would be better to sell online than spend them for face.
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Even when these coins are put into circulation they will get pulled by non collectors because they look different. These coins will not circulate long.
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The demand for key date and specialty coins (3-leg Buffalo, etc.), will always be there like it has been since the 60's, been some ups and downs, but constant over a 15 year investment window, commonly know as "long term investments". That doesn't seem to be sitting too well in today's "fast ----everything society.

My view of what has hurt the coin collecting world goes back to the late 80's early 90's when the "greatest generation" began dying off. The transfer of wealth was hit up by the gubmint in estate taxes. Unless there was a trust in place, many, many folks lost 50% and more of their inheritances, this included at times coin and stamp collections. Many were dumped upon dealers for lowball figures, less taxes to be paid or just to pay those taxes. Ten years later, a new generation now has no idea what a "_savings account making 4% interest" even was. Coin collecting, sorry to say, wasn't passed down as it was previously, interest in it has waned. There's enough of us right now, to kind of keep it kindled, but as time "progresses", I see no future fire being lit. I pass out Buffalo and liberty nickels to kids in the grocery store. One out of three say "cool, neat",...maybe one out of twenty ask about it, have any sense of wonder, inquisitive. The mothers are more interested, if they don't think your a pervert! I know in my case, numismatics, ends here. Absolutely no interest whatsoever, anything built and left to the daughter and grandkids hasn't generated any interest as yet. All my stuff may just be whats been talked about here, just have to be dumped when I die.

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All my stuff may just be whats been talked about here, just have to be dumped when I die.

Yeah all my coins if dumped will turn all banks into coin shops for all future collectors .
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Besides according to CCF new members list , there is no shortage of new collectors in our hobby !
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Back in '95 the market was a basket case. I was dumping all sorts of cull lg cents, 2c. and 3c nickels into circulation because there was no market. You could get a dollar for nice AG's but nobody wanted the culls.

I don't see problem free coins going back into circulation. But, yes, culls and ugly coins certainly could. Even in a hot market there aren't many buyers for dark and scratched 1936 Buffalo nickel.
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Coin collecting, sorry to say, wasn't passed down as it was previously, interest in it has waned. There's enough of us right now, to kind of keep it kindled, but as time "progresses", I see no future fire being lit. I pass out Buffalo and Liberty nickels to kids in the grocery store. One out of three say "cool, neat",...maybe one out of twenty ask about it, have any sense of wonder, inquisitive. The mothers are more interested, if they don't think your a pervert! I know in my case, numismatics, ends here. Absolutely no interest whatsoever, anything built and left to the daughter and grandkids hasn't generated any interest as yet. All my stuff may just be whats been talked about here, just have to be dumped when I die.


There's a new generation of collectors out there but they aren't easily seen because they don't interact with the rest of the hobby that much. Many of them are beginners but there are lots of intermediate and more advanced collectors as well.

Some don't interact with us because we belittle their collections but for the main part they just grew up with different venues for being in touch and doing things. They're on social media and shop on ebay and similar sites. They don't go to coin shows (yet) and they stay clear of coin shops.

They are the next generation of collectors and they will replace us over the next two generations. In only 10 years they will account for half of the coin market. ...75% in 20 years. This is going to happen very fast because most collectors are baby boomers and we're getting a little long in the tooth.
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The transfer of wealth was hit up by the gubmint in estate taxes.


Federal Estate taxes only hit those with a LOT of wealth (over $5 million). Most states do not have an estate or inheritance tax. Of the states that do have a tax, the lowest amount by which an estate must exceed before any tax is due is New Jersey ($675,000).
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Remember that there are more and more people on Earth every day. Many so called common dated coins were made when our population was a lot smaller so the amount minted too was a lot smaller. Soon enough coins with mint quantities in the billions will be difficult to find since there will be billions and billions of people looking for them.
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Coin collecting has been around for thousands of years, and will be around for as long as there are humans to collect them lol. There has been an explosive growth in certain areas of collecting.
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Remember that there are more and more people on Earth every day. Many so called common dated coins were made when our population was a lot smaller so the amount minted too was a lot smaller. Soon enough coins with mint quantities in the billions will be difficult to find since there will be billions and billions of people looking for them.


A lot of the coins made in the billions simply were never saved. Some of these are really quite scarce or rare in any condition but especially in pristine condition.

Indian mint sets of very common coins sold for a few dollars as a novelty just a few years ago are now worth over $3,000. Common date Soviet coins from the '60's and '70's sell for $1000.

Moderns aren't cheap because they are common. Most are cheap because there is no demand.
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Federal Estate taxes only hit those with a LOT of wealth (over $5 million)


The federal estate tax exemption only rose to $5 million in 2010. Before 1997, estate taxes hit estates worth over $600,000 at a 55% rate, which I believe is what Crazyb0 was referring to.
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