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I found this recently, so I thought I'd share it. There are different names assigned to it depending on which expert you're talking to. Ghosting is the most widely used though. For those that may not know, it's caused by die attrition. Over used dies transfer design elements to each other (slowly over time) right through the coins they strike. The highest design elements are transferred first, so this one shows Lincoln on the reverse.   Here's a 1957-D I found a while back, it's a little neater.  |
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Progressive Indirect Design Transfer (PIDT) is the proper name. This can be found on many different designs.   Most commonly found on wheat cents. Memorial cents:  Nickels:   coophome= Progressive PIDT Edited by coop
05/06/2017 12:28 pm
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To be fair, other leading experts call it Internal Metal Displacement Phenomenon. Both names are so long, most people just call it Ghosting.
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Cool find and great information!!
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Wow.. that is super cool.. just when I thought I was really paying attention to my coins.. I may have seen this and just thought it was a toning pattern.. thanks for sharing.. fantastic information
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Internal Metal Displacement Phenomenon I never heard that term before just PIDT. My favorites are the Kennedy halves with it - they look really cool. Usually the more complicated sounding it is the better is sells instead of simple Ghosting - Yeah? How do you list these, what terminology? Nice and strong ghosting on this one. Very Nice. |
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I'm glad ya'll appreciate it. Yes keep an eye out for them, they are fairly common, but with a little patience you can find them better formed like these - not so common. Ken potter calls them that CC. He's also responsible for terms like split plating and others. He comes on here sometimes, but not for a while now. I call them Ghosting.
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Most people call the current lowest denomination pennies. But only true collectors call them cents. So knowing the difference tells other collectors who they are dealing with. So using the correct terms show how much you know about a subject. That is why I help with the correct terms, rather than the common terms. There are many correct terms when you start to learn the hobby. Perhaps the subject for a new thread?
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That's super cool nice find
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There are many correct terms when you start to learn the hobby. Perhaps the subject for a new thread? Coop,that is a great idea and not only interesting, it would be very educational.would very much like to see you starting that thread,that would provide a great deal of learning,I'm sure many members would appreciate that. Edited by Chase007
05/07/2017 02:28 am
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If you know anything about me, you know I am always for correct terminology. I think a thread like that could be very useful. With your knowledge and photographic prowess and my literary skills, maybe we should write a book. I think a book like that would be very helpful indeed. If you agree, email me.
Until I receive your email, I'll proceed on the assumption that you're planning on writing a thread without me. lol You did run it by me, so flattered as I am, I guess you want my opinion and maybe a few ideas.
I definitely think it could be a super reference thread. We have a glossary, and good as it is, honestly it's incomplete and not at all in depth. It is in alphabetical order, as your post should be. As a matter of fact, the glossary could be a good source of information, reference, and ideas. If you write a thread, it will have to be much briefer. First you'll need to decide which terms to include. I assume only the names of Errors? I think you should also be a little flexible Coop. For instance the coin on this thread has two correct names by two extremely reputable experts. Both terms should be included, with mention of the "common term" as well, since it's so widely used. If you're going to write a user's guide to error coin terminology, the user should be able to find the terms he has heard of. Perhaps I should have said humankind has heard of? lol
I think the first step is to make the list of terms (all errors, but no room for variations of them). Then write descriptions, using as few words as possible, and alphabetize it. The format should be the term, followed by one picture (two if necessary),followed by the description.
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05/07/2017 03:08 am
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Thanks Fit4Gold. I'm glad you like it. It's pretty neat and findable.
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I have a question on this.. will the ghost appear more like a raised area or a discoloration..? I opened a mystery OBW roll tonight which is a full roll of BU 1958 D Wheats.. the first several I have looked at have Lincoln's silhouette on the reverse side but it doesn't look like an impression it looks more like a change in the surface toning in the shape of Lincoln ... I will get some photos taken but I have to decide which one :) in addition to Lincoln image I found an unlisted RPM.. got a couple of them.. one of which also has a nice die chip that fills up the inside top loop of the 8.. and a cool lamination peel.. :)
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05/07/2017 03:28 am
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It is raised on all the coins. On the shiny ones it appears more silhouetted. Look at the two coins I posted. (1st and 3rd pics of the thread)
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05/07/2017 03:40 am
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