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Two items on the same Cent. #1 There is a crack that runs most of the length of the face, from the hairline of the forehead to the corner of the mouth. It is most noticeable in the eye where it looks like a die chip...like a bar through his eye an the crack below it resembles a tear streak. Image:  1995_1c_Barred_Eye1.jpg88.35 KB Image: 1995_1c_Barred_Eye2.jpg97.49 KB #2 Do they use worn proof dies for business strikes? I think I have heard somewhere that they did and just ruffed up the finish on the background fields. The reason I ask is this Cent looks like the raised areas are frosted. Look at the lettering in the first image (above) and the next two images. Image: 1995_1c_frosted1.jpg94.8 KB Image: 1995_1c_frosted2.jpg94.6 KB I hope I am not posting too much. Its just great to have someone to talk to about my collection. That doesn't get bored to tears. John Booth |
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is the liberty double?
the 1955 D double die has the same eyes!
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This is not a doubled die, it has a die crack. This isn't a 1955 cent, it's a 1995 cent.
There is no evidence to support that proof dies have ever been used for business strike coins in Lincoln cents, especially S mint dies used to make P mint coins...which would have to be the case for 1995 cents to be struck with proof dies.
Some people believe that some of the S mint business strike cents from the 1960s and 1970s were struck with used proof dies, but there's no evicence of it one way or the other.
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Toniblab:
I don't see any doubling...machine or any other imperfections in this coin, but thanks for the information as to it being a noticeable die problem on other dates. Like Coppercoins said its just a die crack and chip, but I didn't and still don't know how common this type is.
Coppercoins:
I am sure you're correct about the proof not having any evidence as to being used to mint business strikes, but do you have a plausible reason for the frosted texture of all the raised surfaces? I can understand polishing causing a texture on the background surfaces, but even those are striations usually. but these are like they have been bead or sand blasted with a fine grit.
I am not good at inflection in my text so I want you to know up front, that there isn't any sarcasm or ill feelings about your reply...just curious and trying to increase my knowledge base.
a Fellow Numi
John Booth
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There is no evidence to support that proof dies have ever been used for business strike coins in Lincoln cents
I was under the impression that the " Wide AM" cents being found over the last several years were business strikes made with proof dies ? Are you just referring to obverse dies ? Inquiring minds want to know  Thanks for your time Coppercoins ! |
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the crack that you think they are go into the coin not out from the coin .check cpg for the 1955 D double die.please check page 123 of the first cpg.SAME LOOK
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Yes toniblab, the picture is similar..but the picture here only resembles the CPG picture because of the lighting/shadow and the die cracks continuation through the eye of this coin -IMO. It still does not change the fact that this is a 1995 coin, not 1955.
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I'll do that Toniblab, but I think it is a die chip along the crack that caused the barred eye. Oh and by cpg do you mean CherryPickers Guide volume one? I love that book...its my third autographed coin book I have (a 3rd edition signed by Bill Fivas) John Booth |
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yes if it is idented NOT rased as a die crack or chip.it could also be die slap.this happens alot.
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Hi, Early strikes from new dies can produce coins that we call prooflike. The "frosted" appearance is the result of the preparation process of the dies. Here's a link to a prooflike Canadian quarter. It is uncirculated and is not a proof coin. http://www.cccoin1.com/images/can-70.jpgI have PL, coins from early strikes on many denominations. Prooflike "S" Mint Morgan dollars also come to mind in this category. Thanks, Bill Edited by foundinrolls
04/20/2008 01:58 am
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Hi, The scenario with the Wide AM cents is not that a proof die was reused, but that dies intended for striking the reverses for proofs got mixed up with dies for circulation strikes. For an obverse proof die to have been reused, the S Mintmark would have to be removed and there is no known instance of that having happened. Thanks, Bill |
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I worked for the government 20yr's+15 day I have seen many thing used over with some modification done to the Item so when it comes to the mints I am sure they use any type die that is serviceable for as long as they can to get there task done on time that is a very good thing for the worker they get bonuses for getting thing done fast on time and at the lowest cost.
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Amac. No they don't. At the Mint, they deface dies after use. They also struck 6.4 billion 1995 cents. There is no way on the planet that they would bother with scraping Mintmarks from a proof die to put into service for a regular issue piece.
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