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ICG PR-70 Proof Dollar With Smudges, Fingerprints.

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Hi, I have an ICG pr70 dollar with fingerprints. Is this coin no longer a 70? If so should I just crack it open an remove the fingerprints and put it in a capsule or just leave it as is.

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Chances are it was never a 70 in the first place. ICG is not one of the top 3 TPGers. PCGS,NGC and ANACS. Finger prints are forever unless you get them removed right away.
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So should I just crack it open, it's basically worthless now right john1.
Well it's only worth face now.
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Yeah, I'd venture to say it's worth face now. No one wants a proof with fingerprints/smudges.

Would it technically be considered an impaired proof now?
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Crack it out and use it as a pocket piece
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Crack it out and use it as a pocket piece

Impaired proofs make great pocket pieces, it's interesting to see how they wear, and a Presidential dollar would be especially interesting since they don't circulate much. You should check out our pocket piece thread. I carry a proof Kennedy half, although I was responsible for impairing it by putting it in my pocket
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Graders usually say fingerprints doesn't matter on coins grade. That's a lie ha.
They say is the strike that matters not milk spots, smudges etc. As long as is not a scratch. Even if that's the case, no one likes a proof with fingerprints. I basically got the coin for free on a lot on ebay. The lot was for NGC proof 69 Sacagawea dollars, the Presidential dollar was just probably thrown in the lot to make it look a better deal until you look at the reverse. It looks perfect in the obverse but the reverse
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Ouch.

At least you are not out a lot.

I do like the pocket piece idea.
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Is it worth it to keep it in the slab jbuck or crack it open since the grade in not accurate.
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Reminder to self ... do not buy ICG slabs
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I've seen NGC and PCGS slabs with fingerprints also nickelguy.
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I've seen NGC and PCGS slabs with fingerprints also nickelguy.


That's why you'll often hear (read): "Buy the coin, not the slab."

I wouldn't buy a slabbed proof with fingerprints no matter what TPG put it there or what grade. It's good to hear you didn't really pay anything for it.

I also like the Pocket Piece idea. I'm thinking of adding a proof nickel (not impaired, yet) to my pocket.
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You got that coin for free because the seller knew he could not sell a PR-70 with prints and smudges .
The best idea so far is to crack it out and use it as a pocket piece .
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Is it possible the fingerprints were not really visible when it was slabbed? (do fingerprints start out kind of 'invisible' then darken as the coin deteriorates?)
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Is it possible the fingerprints were not really visible when it was slabbed? (do fingerprints start out kind of 'invisible' then darken as the coin deteriorates?)

Yes, especially on copper alloy coins.
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I crack it open and remove the fingerprints with goo gone spray gel cleaner. It's nice enough to put it in a capsule.


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