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Interesting Center Die Cracks On 1990 LMC

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This has a raised die crack coming down from Lincoln statue breaks into two raised then they both slip under the coin surface and proceed to both letter N's and a usual crack at the lower left of memorial building.... interesting

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Iwannado, yea, see a lot of die cracks that come off the four corners of the Memorial. Was just sitting here thinking about that...wonder metallurgically(?) if there are weak or stressed points inherent in the dies themselves. Where the central design element, (in this case the Memorial) being close to the edge of the die, that corner after being squeezed into the die cavity causes a weakness there, later to start splitting. This same scenario is on the obverse on the "Spiked Head" die crack. Anyone with a degree in metallurgy?
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Anyone with a degree in metallurgy?


I dabble a little bit.

I think that it is more likely that the sharp corners of any design element would tend produce higher stresses (i.e. act as a stress riser) and thus tend to be the first location for a die crack forming. Increased stress toward the edge of a coin may also help explain why many die cracks link the letters/stars along the periphery.
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See below for a link to a Masters thesis by Derya Akkus titled ANALYSIS OF COINING PROCESS IN PRODUCTION OF
MEDALLION


There is an interesting numerical simulation of the stress concentration for various parts of the minting process including creating blanks and striking. See, for example, Figures 5.7 and 7.18, which tend to support my response above. While it clearly is way more complicated than I first described (e.g. Figure 7.9), I still think that sharp corners at the periphery are likely starting points for a die crack.

http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/1...47/index.pdf
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Five Stars Spence! Scanned that article, everything and Anything you might want to know about the coining process is in there, from making of dies to stamping, very informative! Way over my head, but...
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wonder metallurgically(?) if there are weak or stressed points inherent in the dies themselves.

Yes. Two common examples of points of inherent weakness in the die design are cracks emanating from all four corners of the Lincoln Memorial and the leading wing edges and base of the bust on Washington quarters. You will see die cracks formed in those areas on coins from a wide swath of years and mintmarks.
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Interesting center die cracks on 1990 lmc


Seems responses are related to the memorials typical four corners, which are prone to stress fractures.


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This has a raised die crack coming down from Lincoln statue breaks into two raised then they both slip under the coin surface and proceed to both letter N's


The third image shows something coming from underneath the statue through the steps that resembles a potential die crack. Maybe so or maybe a plating issue. This location is less common for die cracks.

Hard to tell with current image(s) if it picks up through the "N's" as I can't make out the path past the steps. Thanks, Doug.
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