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 Posted 05/01/2008  4:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I went to two of the local dealers here in N.J. I never visited them before so I wanted to check them out.
Please give feedback on results:
Dealer #1-Offered One roll of Roosevelt dimes...offered me $50. I mentioned melt was above that,he mentioned there is a cost to melt. Asked about 1834 bust 1/2 in vf35-offered for $75
Asked about1835 bust 1/2 vf-35-offered for $95. Asked about 1832 bust half in au offered for $175.
His demeanor was pleasant but was dealing with another customer who was selling a large amount of silver items to him(not coins)
Dealer #2: -Offered One roll of Roosevelt dimes...offered me $37.50. I mentioned melt was above that,he mentioned there is a cost to melt plus silver price is down. I told him I had a half dozen Morgans ms-64,and MS-65. Said the Morgan market was weak and they would be worth $40 and $80.
What do you all think?
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 Posted 05/01/2008  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that $50 might be an OK offer on the silver Roosies at the current spot price.
Check out Deleted004.com. They have a silver melt calculator.

(I assume the deleted URL above means that's a bad site--my apologies)
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05/01/2008 5:30 pm
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 Posted 05/01/2008  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found this online at
http://www.Deleted004.com/coins/sil...ubmit=Submit

Silver Coin Melt Value Calculation
Submitted at 16:06:57 CST on May 1, 2008.


Values Entered:


Quantity: 50
Coin Type: 1946-1964 Roosevelt dime
Silver Price: $16.10 / troy ounce



Answer:

Total silver value is $58.23.
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 Posted 05/01/2008  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I can understand your disappointment in the roll of dimes, but a friend of mine has a local gold exchange, and unless a shop has enough silver coming in to send to a salvage refiner, they usually send to a middleman such as a large coin store in a major city where they can just cart the silver to the refiner, as the refiners require a certain level of scrap. So he pays on shipping to the middleman, registered and insured, the middleman takes a %, his money is held up until the refiner refines, assays, and issues a check ( less any refiners processing fees). If the % silver in the melt is not high enough, then penalties are sometime added. My friend usually receives his cut several weeks later and averages about 80-85% of meltafter all expenses, so he buys at 75% melt and if the silver isn't marked ( a lot of mexican silver here), he won't usually buy it.

So often expecting melt from less than a major shop will usually not happen. It is just financial reality for them.

Jim
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 Posted 05/01/2008  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand part of your post. Were you buying or selling the Bust Halves?

$50 for a roll of Roosevelts is pretty good for an off the street price, considering they are retail around $60 and with the price going down that means that demand has slackened somewhat or there is plenty of supply or both meaning he might have to sit on them for a while.

As far as the second dealer goes, the silver buy price was VERY low. If you are talking about accurately graded MS-65 Morgans then he was quoting a bit low as well in my opinion, but he is in the biz to make $, so if his Morgan market really is slow, then maybe he wasn't too far off-base.
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 Posted 05/01/2008  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think $50 was a fair offer from the first dealer. ebay is running about the same once you consider the fees.

The second dealer @ $37.50 is probably taking you for a noncollector and hoping to get a deal to make a bigger profit. Bad practice IMO, but it does happen
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 Posted 05/01/2008  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
desertgem,
I appreciate your feedback, and it makes a lot of sense. At $50 for the Roll I wasn't really disappointed. It was a smaller shop, and he was extemely honest. The second dealer who has 2 stores offering $37.50 plus a the MS-64/MS-65 ptices just alerted me to the downside of some dealers. He also was nice but the pricing left a lot to be desired.
Thanks
Steve
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 Posted 05/01/2008  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rainman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Murty : Seems like dealer one was offering a fair price on the 1/2 Cents (For a dealer) but I would wait till silver gos back up before selling the dimes. Since melt is low now one of my dealers that was selling silver at melt price is now selling at Red Book price.

Seeking: Not going to that dealer.

Rainman

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Rainman...they were 1/2 Dollars..not cents...and thanks for the insight.
Steve
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 Posted 05/01/2008  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
halfabustisbetter,
He was selling the halves and I was buying. They all were average for their graded conditions.
Steve
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 Posted 05/01/2008  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fifty dollars for a roll of silver dimes seems like a good deal to me. I see them sell on ebay for seventy dollars a role sometimes. Plus my experience with coin shops is that they are notoriously overpriced. However, where I live there is only one coin shop within a 100 mile radius of where I live.

What I don't get is melt value. I realize thats the price of silver contained in the coin but I thought it was illegal to smelt national coinage. Am I wrong?
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quote:
What I don't get is melt value. I realize thats the price of silver contained in the coin but I thought it was illegal to smelt national coinage. Am I wrong?



It is not illegal to melt noncirculating coinage. Anything with silver or gold is not considered to be circulating anymore so it does not affect the circulating coinage supply. It is illegal to melt cents and nickels(but not War Nickels). However, most coins are not melted when you sell them for bullion. $100-$1000 face value bags of 90% silver coinage are a very popular investment vehicle for people wanting to purchase large quantities of silver. The purity and content is known unlike bars and other bullion which may have to be assayed.
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 Posted 05/02/2008  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toniblab to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i was at my coin shop yesterday.silver is whey down now.5.00 face to him is 50.00 .i deal with this dealer for a long time he said he has to buy gold or silver at 20% back to deal with the market values some times he make more money some times he loss money.at the high end of the silver and gold market he was sending in the per day buys of silver and gold to that middle man just in case of the market falling.i sold off my sterling spoons we had.we bought some of them from him when silver was only 7.00 a ounce and sold it when it hit 15.00 a ounce I had a fealing the market will drop!now the market is around 10.00.
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 Posted 05/02/2008  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Bust Half prices were good, especially if the 1832 were a true AU--telling the difference between EF-40 and AU-50 requires some experience with the series. 1830 and beyond I see a lot of coins listed as AU that I consider EF, and in most cases the major grading companies and I agree. So if the 1832 was a true AU for wear and not a well-struck coin with EF wear, then $175 was a great price. If only a good-looking EF, then it was perhaps a wee bit high, but you can't go wrong making an offer. I can see a scenario wherein if I wanted all 3, I might offer $300 and see what he said.
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 Posted 05/02/2008  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gatzdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not an endorsement for APMEX.com, but I use their website for a handy, real world buy price for scrap silver.

As of this posting, APMEX is paying 10.65 times face for misc small quanitity 90% silver.

http://www.apmex.com/Product/195/10..._Coins_.aspx

Of course with APMEX, they have a minimum buy of $1000 and you are responsible for shipping. They pay much more if you have $1000 face.

Again, it's a much better guide than the Deleted004 calculator because it's an actual offer to buy and not a theoretical calculation.
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 Posted 05/02/2008  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericnh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Murty, where in NJ?
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