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1859 Haxby Reverse P15 Die States

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One of my favorite reverse dies in the 1859's is Haxby P15.
P15 was paired with obverse 77 to make die pair 771. PC59-771 is one of the most common die pairs. The P15 reverse was used a long time and in later states has an amazing amount of die cracks.

Here is a photo of my late state P15. I was wondering if anyone has later states of this die? Photos of any die states, early to late would be nice to see. It's interesting to see the progression.


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Here's my only 1

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Phil310,

I have two of those. Hope this helps!

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I have a number of these but no photographic skills. When I get a chance, I'll look and see how many I have. I may have to loan them to someone to use with a camera. I would guess maybe 10 or more. Since the D/C at the 9 starts out thick and then narrows considerably, I used to label them "horned 9's" on the holder to remind me what it was.
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I used to label them "horned 9's" on the holder to remind me what it was.

I wondered what that meant
I now have 2

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Thanks guys. Nice photos of some late die states. All of those show the crack that goes from the rim through leaf 6 and then down through 6 and 7 and back to the rim. That looks like a great place for a Cud to form.

Okie, do any of yours show any sign of a Retained Cud or Cud there?

The coiners didn't seem to be in any hurry to retire this die.
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I do have one example but it's a kind of an early stage without the horn in the 9 (just a fine crack up from the 9) and very similar to viper's 2nd cent.. but a lower grade.

No pics of it yet...
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Phil .. Yes, one of mine has a Cud 1/2 covering the leaf. It looks like these also had a chance to form a Cud at 15/16.
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Thanks for checking those okiecoiner! That's what I was hoping to find when I started the thread! Sounds like a terminal die state for P15.

I would love to see a picture of that one if you could arrange it.
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I have no means to photo it, but here is a QX5 microscope shot of it. There is a Cud covering about 1/2 of leaf 6 and the second shot shows that maybe leaf 15 is as well with the huge D/C ther at 15 & 16. The coin is only F-15 so it doesn't show well, but I haven't looked through all my coins yet. I may find a better one.
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Thanks Okiecoiner. That one is definitely later than the first one I posted. Heavier breaks along the crack at leaves 6-7 and also at 15-16.

Looks like that section at leaves 6-7 was about ready to fall off the rest of the die.
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771 P 15 Obv 1 Rx 2 VF 20
Obv 1 Rx 2 F 12
Obv 1 Rx 4 XF 45
Obv 1 Rx 6 G 04
Obv 1 Rx 7 XF 40
Obv 1 Rx 8 XF 40 Bead clash below truncation / Clog CANADA.
Obv 2 Rx 8 XF 40 Same clog.
Obv 2 Rx 8 XF 40 Same clog.
Obv 3 Rx 10 XF 40 As above, plus a Die-Crack is to leaf 1.
Obv 3 Rx 11 XF 40 As above, but extensive radial Die-Cracks.
Obv 3 Rx 12 VG 10 Heavier Die-Cracks yet.
Obv 3 Rx 13 VG 08 Terminal.

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