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2017 Proof Set Packaging Error

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Hello,

I received my 2017 Proof Set from the US Mint Enrollment Program and waited 4 months to look at it. When I finally looked at it I noticed that it had 2 Effigy Mounds Quarters and was missing the Ellis Island Quarter.

Since I was outside the mint's return policy and dealers have no use for packaging errors what are my options? I have it listed on e-bay for what I paid and so far no luck. Will I just have to take the loss and replace the set? Any ideas, comments, suggestions, etc. are always appreciated.

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Ouch. QC non-existent?
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Spice up your ebay listing a little and raise the price. You may have better luck selling an extremely rare US Mint Error for a couple of bucks over list.
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I take it you keep your sets intact and are not aware that the lens is not sealed.

They open and close really easy, which is why packaging errors are not going to get you anything (as they are easily faked).

I would get the missing quarter, either locally or on ebay, and swap it out for the duplicate.
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JBuck done nailed it.
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I take it you keep your sets intact and are not aware that the lens is not sealed.

They open and close really easy, which is why packaging errors are not going to get you anything (as they are easily faked).

I would get the missing quarter, either locally or on ebay, and swap it out for the duplicate.


JBUCK -

Not to sound too ignorant but since I have never actually cracked a lens open what's the best way to do that and then close it with little to no damage?

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You can order another set from the mint and then return the defective one after you receive the new one.


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QC non-existent?

Exactly.
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Back in 1999 a LOT of "error" proof sets like this one showed up on the market, and they brought BIG money. Until it was realized that the lenses weren't sealed and a bunch of scammers were just buying five sets and playing musical chairs with the quarters to create five "error" sets. Your set is probably a real error set, but there is no way you can prove it so no premium.

The scammers did another similar thing in 2000. The proof SBA came out too late in the year to be included in the proof set, but in 2000 a bunch of "1999 VIP proof sets" came on the market, The scammers were taking a ten coin 2000 set, removing the coins and replacing them with 1999's with the proof SBA and then putting them in a 1999 box. Those origianlly brought over $1000 each.
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You can order another set from the mint and then return the defective one after you receive the new one.



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Since I was outside the mint's return policy and dealers have no use for packaging errors what are my options?
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snitchard, the fact that he's outside the mint's return policy is exactly why I suggested buying another and then returning the packaging error one within the others return window.
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Not to sound too ignorant but since I have never actually cracked a lens open what's the best way to do that and then close it with little to no damage?
Easiest way is to just run you fingernail along the edge seam and gently snap it apart. If you do not have enough nail, use a utility knifed or small flat head screw driver.

Also, what Bret is suggesting is you buy a second 2017 set (since they are still for sale) and then return the first set using the second sets return label.
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snitchard, the fact that he's outside the mint's return policy is exactly why I suggested buying another and then returning the packaging error one within the others return window.


I mis-understood you bit that's GENIUS

I'm conflicted if I want to try that or JBUCK's suggestion
AHHH Too many choices!
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Either will work, but my method has no risk. Plus, in theory it should help make the mint aware of its QC problems, but I really don't think they care.
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Either will work, but my method has no risk. Plus, in theory it should help make the mint aware of its QC problems, but I really don't think they care.
Of course it has risk! Remember the QC problems? The second set could have all five quarters, but the Ellis Island Quarter (missing from the first set) could have a huge thumbprint on it.
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True. But if that happens, you get to repeat the process until it doesn't.

I ordered five mint sets this year, one for each of my children and two for me. In one set, a Kennedy half had a large bag mark on Kennedy's cheek. So I sent it back. The replacement came in and it also has a large bag mark on Kennedy's cheek. It will be going back too.
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