1950 & 1950 D Lincoln Wheat Cent / LWC Missing Part Of The Zero

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Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:10 pm A few weeks ago while CRH I found a 1950 D LWC with part of the zero missing. it looked a little unusual so I put it away to examine it later and forgot all about it until I found another one yesterday. This one being a 1950 P. These came from different rolls and from different banks. I searched the CCF data base to see if anyone had posted a find like this and I found that back on 04/15/17, another member had posted one that he found but I believe most replies were PMD. I can understand that, but now I'm wondering since I just found two from two different mints that just maybe there is a little more investigating to be done. here are the pics of the two I just found. I had to use two different microscopes to photograph them that is why the color is different from the close ups and the whole coin. does anyone think that it's just a coincidence and it's PMD? or perhaps it's a die chip that didn't get stuck in/on the die? Edited by Tootallious 11/02/2017 5:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:15 pm To me, PMD is the only logical explanation. Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:25 pm Great photos. No doubt about what you are asking about. In both instances I see metal displacement from right toward left. Two similar owwies. But I can certainly see why you asked. Report this Post to the Staff
Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:30 pm Coinfrog, logically I totally understand and I can see that the metal has been pushed towards the center of the zero.Also I'm not trying to discover some new error that's went unnoticed for 67 years. And maybe I should just let it go at that but don't you find it highly unusual for the damage to be in almost the exact same place. its probably just me but my gut tells me somethings not quite right. Report this Post to the Staff
Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:36 pm Thank you for the reply moxking! If you guys get a minute, check out the one that another member posted on 04/15/17. I'm not sure if I'm llowed to post his username and I don't want to upset anyone but his looks just like these two that's another reason why I think that there is more to it than meets the eye! Edited by Tootallious 11/02/2017 5:40 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:39 pm My guess is that an infinite number of monkeys searching an infinite number of LWCs would find similar damage on every date and MM. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34510 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:43 pm @tootalicious, I agree PMD, but I agree odd that each coin seems to be affected the same way. As I recall, someone (@bobby maybe) mentioned that the feeder fingers at the mint preferentially hit coins around their periphery. To answer your other question, I believe that it is totally fine on CCF to reference others and previous threads. Edit: okay looks like I was completely wrong on that first paragraph. Here is a prior thread where @coop explains about feeder fingers. Sorry about that! http://goccf.com/t/268429 "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Edited by Spence 11/02/2017 5:48 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Crazyb0 Rest in Peace 10197 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:46 pm Hey toots! Those seem to be caused by roll crimpers, the machine edge s metal and circles the rim. My theory is it is the initial placement of the mechanism, its first contact point. This is seen on older coins, older machines perhaps? The newer ones scratch 1/4-1/3 in towards the center. Report this Post to the Staff
Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:50 pm Quote: My guess is that an infinite number of monkeys searching an infinite number of LWCs would find similar damage on every date and MM Yes, I'll have to agree with that! maybe that gut feeling was just something I ate. lol! Much stranger things have happened therefore I'll let it go and accept it as PMD. After all, logically there is no other explanation. Thank you! Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 5:55 pm Speaking for the monkeys - Report this Post to the Staff
Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 6:03 pm Thank you Spence and Crazyb0! these explanations are making more sense to as to how it may have happened! it's just kind of trippy finding two of them. I'll probably never come across another one but you never know. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if some seller starts advertising these as some rare error and wants bookoo bucks for them.(jeeze,I hope not!)forget I said that! Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 6:48 pm I have seen a lot of this kind of damage over many years of being in the hobby. It looks like damage caused by a coin counting/wrapping machine. The damage is in the same location because the same type of machine is used and the coins are nearly the same size and design from year to year. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Buddy Rest in Peace United States 7075 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 7:02 pm There are other strange marks and damage that appear on coins over and over. These seem more rare than most but sooner or later they all go through some sort of counting and/or wrapping machine. Coins from the 50's could have gone through slot machines for hours and hours getting dinged in the same spot over and over. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 7:38 pm Vending machine damage. (AKA Gumball Machine) They were used during that time. It is parallel to the rim. Report this Post to the Staff
Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 11/02/2017 7:45 pm Thanks to all! I'm convinced that is indeed PMD! Report this Post to the Staff
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1950 & 1950 D LWC Missing Part Of The Zero