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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This was in the same batch as the 1881 S Morgan and 1867 Two Cent that both got dinged for cleaning.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Au-55 but the lack of toning is a concern.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The cleaning (dipping?) on this one appears to be market-acceptable. I'd venture an AU50 shot 53.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Strong 45 that might smack 50. Solid example.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I disagree that this coin is market acceptable. I think OP stated that this example straight graded, but I doubt this would sell for anywhere near wholesale bid, and would transact at a price much closer to that of a details coin.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ok, I love me some Capped Bust quarters but this one doesn't speak to me. I just don't find it attractive. Market acceptable or not, I don't like cleaned Bust quarters. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think OP stated that this example straight graded, but I doubt this would sell for anywhere near wholesale bid, and would transact at a price much closer to that of a details coin. I see decent luster and no signs of a harsh cleaning. Why do you think it would be so cheap? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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imho the coin has several problems:
1. To me, I don't see luster, but a shiny cleaned coin with a thin layer of toning that does not look like the oxidation that I would expect from a coin that is almost 200 years old.
2. The obverse is stained with streaky black marks that were not removed in previous cleaning(s) and are unlikely to come off now.
3. The wear pattern is severe and uneven. This is most evident in the draped dress to the left of the clasp and the hair lock to the right of the clasp. The sharpness is pronounced in a fully formed inner and outer clasp, but the draped dress is heavily worn, not uniformly, but only in certain parts. The same with the lock of hair to the right of the clasp, which is heavily worn and other hair details right next to it are extremely sharp. Natural circulation does not wear in that manner.
4. Lots of scratches and digs in the fields.
5. Stars really flat for what appears to be a fairly high AU coin.
Reverse is much nicer than the obverse. This looks like a AU55-58 details cleaned coin, with spots of heavy wear. Details are sharp, but with all surface originality stripped. Not the look that I believe any experienced collector would want, given that this date is not really difficult to obtain in this condition.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/19/2017 3:37 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Where do you see heavy wear or dings in the fields?
I'm not saying it's a great coin. It's not, but there are worse in problem-free holders that sell for good money.
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To me, I don't see luster, but a shiny cleaned coin with a thin layer of toning that does not look like the oxidation that I would expect from a coin that is almost 200 years old. This coin has quite a bit of original cartwheel luster, particularly on the reverse. It is clearly evident in my pictures.  But the coin has been cleaned, no doubt about it. It was covered in hairlines. Quote:
The obverse is stained with streaky black marks that were not removed in previous cleaning(s) and are unlikely to come off now. The best I can tell is that those marks are a strikethrough, which is why they were not removed. They looked like flattened metal shavings. Quote:
The wear pattern is severe and uneven. This is most evident in the draped dress to the left of the clasp and the hair lock to the right of the clasp. The sharpness is pronounced in a fully formed inner and outer clasp, but the draped dress is heavily worn, not uniformly, but only in certain parts. The same with the lock of hair to the right of the clasp, which is heavily worn and other hair details right next to it are extremely sharp. Natural circulation does not wear in that manner. I noticed this as well. I thought it was odd that a coin with so much luster would have such little detail. But I figured it was the result of a strike anomaly. Quote:
Lots of scratches and digs in the fields. Scratches, yes. The other marks I would characterize as "hits" rather than "digs" because none were that deep. Quote:
Stars really flat for what appears to be a fairly high AU coin. Strike anomaly. Characteristic for the variety. (B-6) |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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AU-50, not a fan - the obverse is too much of a distraction.
Edited by Coinfrog
11/19/2017 4:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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AU-50. This coin probably looks nicer in hand.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I noticed this as well. I thought it was odd that a coin with so much luster would have such little detail. But I figured it was the result of a strike anomaly. It is a strike anomaly. The obverse is weakly struck perhaps on a slightly uneven planchet or a die that was a touch out of alignment. I agree with numismatic student that the obverse of this piece does not have high eye appeal. That said the color, luster and surface preservation are all at AU level in today's market. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:Ok, I love me some Capped Bust quarters but this one doesn't speak to me. I just don't find it attractive. Market acceptable or not, I don't like cleaned Bust quarters.  AU-Details Quote:
I think OP stated that this example straight graded, Where does the OP state that this coin was straight graded? As far as I can tell he doesn't. Edited by Joe2007
11/19/2017 8:37 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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op gave the grade in another thread I think.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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