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Hi Folks,

I am sorry that this a really newbie question. I understand that a coin's value is a combination of supply and demand, based on rarity, condition, bullion value, etc. But I was hoping to be enlightened a bit more on how that value changes over time? Do some coins typically accumulate value over time, and others decline? Any differences in circulation coins, versus collector coins? What about silver and gold coins?

In essence, does a large collection appreciate similar to an investment over the years or does it really mainly depend on the specifics mentioned above of the coins in that collection?

Finally, how is the field changing in recent years in terms of the value of collecting coins? What are the major trends affecting value?

Thanks!
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For the most part coins will track with inflation as they are worth a certain amount of people's labor to buy them. Apart from that dynamic is overlaid supply and demand and this can be a much bigger force. The reason high grade commems have crashed since the 80's is lack of true demand. The reason that Draped Bust material of all denominations has done very well over the same time frame is inflation coupled with a stable supply/demand.
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Generally, condition but most important rarity, like a 21 5 cent or a 1948 dollar if bought at right price for the grade will always hold value, key dates and buy the best you grade you can afford.
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I have tracked third party graded Canadian silver dollars (1935-1967) on ebay auction for the last three years. The prices on those have held pretty steady. Not much variance up or down.

It is my hunch that generally better grade coins will typically keep their value better. Let us say that coin x is presently selling for $10 in VF20 and $100 in MS62. I think you'd be better off owning one MS62 rather than ten VF20s. When you go to sell, will a dealer buy 10 VF20s? He may already have more than he can sell in a year of those and won't want to buy any. It may hard for you to find 10 individuals to buy those coins.
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Thanks guys,

Would the gold coins available from RCM generally tend to track more closely to the price of gold itself, rather than its rarity?

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There was a big drop in value for circulation coins post financial crisis. Been fairly steady since then with some signs of increasing values for top end coins. The RCM severely trashed the NCLT market starting in 2012 with orders of magnitude increases in # of releases. Starting to steady out a bit now that dealers and buyers have adjusted but no signs of a recovery. There is also a long term concern about possibly declining interest in coin collecting as a) more people move to digital transactions; and b) the ARP has removed the interesting older coins from circulation. In short (and very general terms), coins as an investment over the last 10+ years has not been a positive experience and is not something I would personally recommend. Collecting coins for interest and fun however is something I really enjoy. I just expect that when I go to sell a coin later on I will be lucky to break even and probably take a loss on it. Consider it paying 'rent' on the coin or an entertainment fee if you like. Like paying to see a movie.
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In my opinion RCM non-circulating silver and gold coins tend to revert to bullion value over time, regardless of how "limited" the issue is.
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Personally I tend to think of the coin market as having 3 main sectors. The common stuff resembles the commodity market (more highly correlated to bullion value where applicable; otherwise a low numismatic premium). The mid-range stuff resembles the stock market; although without the general long term upwards trend that the stock market has. And the high end stuff resembles the fine art market (value really depends on who shows up to the auction but most likely to show increased value over time due to competition among increasingly wealthy buyers).
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NCLT silver and the cheapest gold and platinum coins (25c, 50c, $1 coins) tend to retain some numismatic premium over time. Even SMLs tend to sell a few dollars higher than their straight bullion value. However higher value gold coins tip more towards a bullion correlation simply because so few collectors can afford them and they're not really any more interesting than the more affordable coins IMHO.
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Bullion coins more or less follow inflation over the long period, with monthly yearly fluctuations, depending on what's going on in the world. RCM stuff, unless it is really unique or special (less than 10% of the stuff they poop out) can usually be bought on the secondary market 3-4 years down the road at 30-50% discount of the issue price. Higher grade older stuff will keep up with inflation. Out hobby is not the place to expect any kind of long-range investment .. that's what the stock market is for. Enjoy it for the fun and rely on scarcity with supply and demand to guide you.
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The RCM severely trashed the NCLT market starting in 2012 with orders of magnitude increases in # of releases.


Not to mention the premiums they charge for them right off the bat are so high the RCM has ripped every last possible piece of meat off the bone for them. A lot of the drops really seem to be them leveling out more towards what a more reasonable issue price would have been.
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Thanks guys.

Is there any way to find out the original issue pricing for RCM NCLT?
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It should be in the Charlton's Vol II I would think.
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I am having trouble distinguishing the various editions of Charlton's. I have the 2018 Coine Guide. It's pretty basic. What differentiates Vol One, Vol Two etc and why might I need them?
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Vol 1 is primarily circulation issues although it also includes specimen and proof versions of circulation coins prior to them being issued in silver. Vol 1 includes information on major varieties and each year a special section at the end focuses on a specific type of coin; silver dollar varieties, nickel dollar varieties, counterfeits etc. Vol 2 is NCLT (and growing in size rapidly!). Each one includes price lists and mintages. Vol 2 includes issue prices for NCLT. However, if you're looking for specific coins released in the last few years just go to mint.ca and search the archived listings.
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Vol 1 is primarily circulation issues although it also includes specimen and proof versions of circulation coins prior to them being issued in silver. Vol 1 includes information on major varieties and each year a special section at the end focuses on a specific type of coin; silver dollar varieties, nickel dollar varieties, counterfeits etc. Vol 2 is NCLT (and growing in size rapidly!). Each one includes price lists and mintages. Vol 2 includes issue prices for NCLT. However, if you're looking for specific coins released in the last few years just go to mint.ca and search the archived listings.


Thanks kuh_85, awesome!
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