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I've always loved the European early medieval period. The Merovingian kingdom in France, the Anglo-Saxons in England and later the Carolingian's. I have several Carolingian and a couple of Merovingian and Anglo-Saxon coins. I'm curious which coins my fellow forum members have in their collections. To start with. My finest and rarest Carolingian coin. This is probably the only photo of this type of Carolingian denarius. Obv: CARLVS REX FR around a Charles monogram in a pearl wreath REV: BEDERRIS around a cross in a pearl wreath   |
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Beautiful multi-tone coin there, Tim. Really nice.
Fyi, Spence's "Walking back in time from 1600 to antiquity" thread is in the Early Renaissance right now, but it shouldn't be too long before they work their way back to medieval coinage.
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Wish I had some to show. Beautiful coin.
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The goal of this "project" is to bring photo's of all these early medieval European coins together. The walking-back-in-time project only show a couple of these / decennium. (of what I have seen, but I can be wrong) Other examples are: Silver: Sceatta's, denari, oboles, styca's, penny's Gold: solidi, tremessi, Porcupine sceatta (frisian 7th-8th c AD)   Obole Louis the pious (814-840)   Denarius Louis the Pious (814-840)   Penny Coenwulf of Mercia (770-821) Not in my collection. I found it during an excavation.  Gold plated merovingian tremessis (500-675)   Edited by Archeo1982
02/05/2018 08:17 am
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Russian Federation
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I did succeed in getting a coin from every* century (I think - still some confusion on the 13th), but all the "early medieval" (6th-11th centuries) coins in my collection are either Byzantine, Islamic, or from somewhere even further east.
So no, even though I agree that early medieval European coins are quite pretty, I don't actually happen to have any.
(Not that I really could afford them anyway.)
*) Not counting 6th and 7th centuries BC; I hadn't actually seen a 6th century BC coin that I could even theoretically afford yet (though I know that they exist, and have even seen a few offered online), and the few known types of 7th century BC coins would likely have been over my budget anyway even if I did find any.
I do have a coin each from 5th and 4th centuries BC though, as well as one or more coin each from the 24 centuries after that (though, as mentioned, possibly excluding the 13th century AD - the two coins I have from that century have extremely uncertain attributions).
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Netherlands
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Great accomplishment, january1may! I haven't reach that by far. I've seen some early coins though.
In the past I excavated as an Archaeologist with the university near Rome for some weeks. We found some very early coins. Also the huge Etruscan coins and the AE Crude. (I've seen a lot of these for sale on the internet, but without a document that proves that they are found in Italy, most of them are fakes.
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02/05/2018 1:26 pm
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I assume Byzantine and eastern coins don't count? I have plenty of "dark ages" coins from India and a few earlier Byzantine issues, but 500-700 AD Europe isn't a field I have been able to expand into yet. I am expecting a few Vandal issues, however, which should arrive before too long.
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For my collection, early medieval pushes the boundaries,, but I have a couple of Carolingians (I am assuming we are talking pre-1000 A.D.?) And yes, the goalposts for the Walking Back in Time thread are kinda narrow, so there is not necessarily a lot of overlap. Temple denier of Lothar. I could dig up the atttribution.   |
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Wow, thats a beautiful specimen, tdziemia! Thanks for posting
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Dank je. I figured that you have covered grandpa (Charlemagne), and daddy (Louis), so I would list a coin from one of the grandchildren  . I am puzzled by BEDDERIS in the legend on your first post(probably due to my lack of experience on coins of this era ... maybe the same lack applies to every era for me  At first I thought Beziers, as this is quite an old place, but then I thought since you are in Netherlands and it is very rare maybe Breda? |
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Bederris is indeed Beziers, France. Through trade with Dorestado, (wijk bij Duurstede) coins from all over the Empire ended up in that region. Bederris coins of Charlemagne are extremely rare. This is the only specimen of which the present location is known. The other 2 were found in the 19th century and are lost.
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@Archeo1982, interesting idea for a thread! It sounds like we are talking roughly between 500 and 1000 AD and from within the general geographic confines of Western Europe, is that right? I think that there may be a little overlap with the counting back by decades thread, but I'm fine with a little cross-posting.  I've got a few to post here, but will try to go roughly backwards in time. To start off, here is a Denar from the German City of Cologne. It dates to between 936 and 962 AD and has one of my favorite examples of the letter S from the Early Medieval period (with a horizontal strike-through above the word COLONIA on the obv). The attribution is Bonhoff 1542 and Kluge 292.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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roughly between 500 and 1000 AD and from within the general geographic confines of Western Europe That's indeed the idea. The moneymakers of the so-called "dark ages" have created real artworks in a period where the Roman influence was still there, but where the own identity was also translated in the portraits and reverses on the coins. Nice coin by the way  |
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Uncannily similar ... a bit of a cheat, since I sold it recently and still own the photo but not the coin. Slightly later at 983-1002 but also showing what you mention on the S.   |
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I was thinking about buying some byzantine coins but for some reason they just arent my cup of tea
Macedonian and Western Roman Empire - up to and including early Eastern Roman Empire( alal Constantine Dynasty )somehow seems more interesting. I dont know why. I think the side profiles and detail of work is better with those older coins compared to the front facing medieval coins with alot of crosses
Maybe its just me but it seems hat the older roman coins are more difficult to create fakes for compared to the medieval ones.
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Charles the Bald , Metulo mint , ref Prou699/701 . obv : + CARLUS REX FR rev : + MET+ULO 22 mm , 1.5 gr , 7 h .albert  |
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