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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Saw this darkly toned Trade dollar and the more I examined the surfaces from the less-than perfect pictures, the more I liked it. Thoughts on grade and problems? Thanks!    IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/18/2018 10:38 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Better pics needed to answer your questions. Flashback is obscuring the surfaces.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11898 Posts |
I manipulated the lighting so that I could see the surfaces a little better. The coin has the Type 2 obverse and reverse that are correct for the date.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
The obverse looks stronger than the reverse, possibly from a weaker strike. Even after your second photo set, which were better, I couldn't pinpoint a grade. Very common Trade dollar, it is authentic and original surfaces. For my money, I'd pass. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8715 Posts |
Can't grade from these pics.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
Despite the uncertainties, I couldn't pass it up for $153. The biggest concern is the reverse scratches in the right side of the coin. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
18687 Posts |
based on the pics, which are not good enough, looks like its in the XF range, it might make AU but I cant comment on the surfaces. there does appear to be some issues with the color which may have been caused by being in a flip for a while but thats just a guess
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8518 Posts |
Never know what he's trying to hide with pics like that but worth the gamble. Good luck.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8715 Posts |
There appears to be graffiti between 1 and 4 o'clock on the reverse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2125 Posts |
AU-55 possible scratched. Awaiting your pics!
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
11922 Posts |
I am thinking EF-45 Details from those pictures.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36839 Posts |
It's a "details" coin based on the field hairlines. Need better photos to grade beyond that.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
This one also came in today. The coin was very dark and there was a strong tobacco smell coming from the coin. I soaked it in acetone, just to remove surface debris, but the color got lighter right away and a bright red toning was revealed. I checked the reverse between AMERICA and DOLLAR where I saw some scratches int he field near the edge. There are a few hairlines near the edge, but they look very shallow and less prominent than I would have expected. Those lines have a chance of giving the coin a details designation, but a much smaller one than I thought initially. I also thought there might be some scratches in the field to the right of the eagle's right wing. I examined the coin closely and I can't find anything there. There were two spots where the really old 2x2 that held this coin was missing a very small piece of the plastic cover in both places at star 1 and a little below star 13. In those spots, the coin's red toning is missing and looks silver colored. Netnet, the coin is beautiful so the hairlines bother me much less... or not at all. Thoughts on grade and problems based on new pics? Thanks!    Non-magnetic, weight checks out as my scale rounds to the nearest gram. Standard weight for Trade dollars is 27.22g. Correct type 2 obverse and reverse. Looks legit to me.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/24/2018 12:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Interesting results from acetone soak. I am at XF 45 and on the fence about possible cleaning. I like the coin, but there is some pitting and spots that are distracting. It does look genuine, but would most likely get a details grade from the TPG's. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1448 Posts |
It doesn't look cleaned, maybe a really old one but they may detail it as damaged. Xf45
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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