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What Has 13 Stars And 17 Jewels? ... A Draped Bust Pocket Watch

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Several years ago, I bought a couple Chinese counterfeits to use as inlays in a mahogany coin cabinet that I planned on building.

I decided against the cabinet, and since my other preoccupation is pocket watches, I decided that a steel Draped bust dollar would make a dandy watch dial. I have to add hour markers and hands, but getting it to this point was a challenge because it was so hard.

Under the dial is a 17 jewel 12s Illinois movement.

Mods might want to move this...but its kind of a "classic"....except that its fake. I may do one using a Morgan dollar and a 16s watch so I can leave a border for a chapter ring.

Thought you'd like to see what idle hands are up to.

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That is cool!
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I've seen and acquired a number of "coin dial" watches (both pocket and wrist) over the years, but this is the first time I've heard of somebody DIY'ing one. Certainly that's making making good use of a forgery. I presume you're going to mount some nice fire blued hands?

Most of the commercially produced examples I've examined pretty clearly utilize reproductions of a coin's obverse, but I do recall one instance in which a genuine Walking Liberty half was used, only sliced such that only a thin veneer remnant became the face. That one might also have been individually produced.

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Fun item, thanks!
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Nice!
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Looks like it is time for some hands on that watch. Sweep center second I presume?
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That is neat. I imagine you had to plane off the reverse considerably. No numerals are necessary.
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I very nearly cut the counterfeit for a sub dial, since an american Half Dime is the exact diameter of the Illinois sub dial. I decided that for this first effort, no second hand was necessary, and ground off the pinion.

I do have a nice set of blued spade hands for it.

The dial is less than 1/16" thick.

Its a fun little project. Most of the silver was was lost in the process, and that I will restore, and then I can give it a lttle patina.

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Fine use of China junk. Work well rewarded.
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Most of the silver was was lost in the process, and that I will restore, and then I can give it a lttle patina.


I thought Chinese counterfeits were generally made out of base metals?
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I like this endeavor. Cannot wait to see the grand finale!
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I thought Chinese counterfeits were generally made out of base metals?

I believe he's referring to the silver color.
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I'll finish everything but the plating work pretty quickly. I went out to the shop last night and found out that I should have brought the plating solution into the house last fall....oops.

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Very nice Chance!

I can't wait to see the finished project.
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